Kevin
Basic 9-Player Ruleset*
*All players must claim a valid role on D1 or they will be mod-killed.

Good Roles:

Seer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'wolf' or 'not wolf.' The seer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not wolf.' Thereafter, the seer chooses which player to view.

Priest - Each night receives a vision of a target deceased player. The vision tells the priest that deceased player's exact role. The priest does not receive any vision on Night 0. Thereafter, the priest chooses one deceased player to view.

Hunter - If only two players remain in the game and the hunter is one of those players, then the good team wins even if the other player is a werewolf.

3 Villagers - Ordinary villagers with no special powers.


Evil Roles:

2 Werewolves - The werewolves know each other's identity, and may private message/chat without restriction. Each night the wolves choose one target player to kill. There is no kill on Night 0.

Sorcerer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'seer' or 'not seer.' The sorcerer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not seer.' Thereafter, the sorcerer chooses which player to view. The sorcerer wins if the wolves win, but does not count as a werewolf for parity purposes (see below).


Victory Conditions:

Good - All good players win if all werewolves are eliminated, or if the last two players remaining are the hunter and one werewolf. The sorcerer does not have to be eliminated in order for Good to win.

Evil - All evil players win if the wolves achieve parity: if at any time the number of wolves remaining equals the number of non-wolves remaining (including the sorcerer), evil wins. Howver, if one wolf is left with the hunter, then good wins. The sorcerer counts as a 'non-wolf' for these purposes.


Lynch Rules:

Each day players vote for one player to be lynched. The player receiving the most votes is killed. If there is a tie between two or more players, the tied player with the longest held last vote is killed.

Lynch time is 12:00:00pm BGG time. Votes cast with this time-stamp are counted. Votes cast after this time are invalid. Votes made during the night phase are invalid.

All votes must conform to the Cassandra Vote Tally System rules. (Will be posted once the game starts). If all living players vote nightfall it will speed up the dusk.

Neither the player's role or team is revealed upon lynch.


Night Orders:

Wolves, Seer, Sorcerer, and Priest must all submit their night orders by 12:30:00pm BGG time. They do this by using the Cassandra Game Order system in the Cassandra Chat System or by Geekmailing the Mod.

The wolves' night kill choice is revealed with the DAWN post. The players' role and team are not revealed.

If all living players (including those with out night actions) click on the 'Lock Game Actions' button it will speed up Dawn.

Do not post the content of your Mod Chat room to the game thread. You may summarize, but direct copying is not allowed. Consider that like showing your card to the group in a face-to-face game


Notice:
Cassandra is still broken. We will be using QuickChats and GeekMails to handle all Cassandra related items.


Important Information:
Tiebreaker: longest held last vote
Lynch time: 12:00:00pm
Night Action Deadline: 12:30:00pm
Night Posting: None
Special Rules: All players must claim a valid role on Day 1 by Dusk or they will be Mod-Killed.
Weekend Policy: This game will not run over the weekend.


This game will start when full.
Kevin
Player List:
1. gelrod
2. JaredW25
3. Androl
4. Rhanddom
5. Dake
6. Vanderscamp
7. ohgrande
8. ljtrigirl
9. Avin


ModKiwi
http://mod-kiwi.appspot.com/game/451e7e59
L Squared
Isn't there already a noon Niner up?
Alabaster
Y
Alabaster
I also encourage honesty to see if it actually does help win.

If FUD is like, expected, it's very likely bad.
Dake Jimson
we can only control so much. i would recommend good be truthful as well, otherwise, it's not the best test. but still, it would be hard to enforce that.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Isn't there already a noon Niner up?


this is a special one.
Kevin

ljtrigirl wrote:

Isn't there already a noon Niner up?


I would have set it up for evening so you would play but they wanted to do a mandatory D1 all claim game - knew that eliminated you.
Dake Jimson
she wouldn't even want to do it for science?
L Squared
OH SHIT D1 ALL CLAIM

Someone page twomil.
Dake Jimson
royal, you might want to specify that they need to claim a role in the game.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

OH SHIT D1 ALL CLAIM

Someone page twomil.


i have paged dr. bucks and informed him he is needed in the laboratory.
L Squared
Put me down tentatively for science. I have to think about how I feel about this.
Dake Jimson
i'm in by the way.
L Squared
Yeah. Put twomil down just in case so it doesn't fill up without him getting to play.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Put me down tentatively for science. I have to think about how I feel about this.


there's no room for feelings when science is at stake.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Put me down tentatively for science. I have to think about how I feel about this.


there's no room for feelings when science is at stake.


Fuck it. I'm in for science.
L Squared
New signups for Royal:

4. Jared
5. gelrod
6. ljtrigirl
7. twomil (pending confirmation)
Kevin

Dake wrote:

royal, you might want to specify that they need to claim a role in the game.


I did, read the rules
Dake Jimson

RoyalApe wrote:

Dake wrote:

royal, you might want to specify that they need to claim a role in the game.


I did, read the rules


oh, sorry. just read the first line.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Dake wrote:

royal, you might want to specify that they need to claim a role in the game.


I did, read the rules


oh, sorry. just read the first line.


First line says it. whistle
Dake Jimson
oh "valid".
Kevin

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

Dake wrote:

royal, you might want to specify that they need to claim a role in the game.


I did, read the rules


oh, sorry. just read the first line.


First line says it. whistle


To be fair, the "valid" part was only at the bottom when I first posted. I added "valid" to top after Dake asked for clarification.
If you're going to make an all claim game you may as well reduce/remove the villagers and move the parity line closer to evil.
Kevin

dbmurph22 wrote:

If you're going to make an all claim game you may as well reduce/remove the villagers and move the parity line closer to evil.


I'll be absolutely shocked if all the goods play this straight. And removing the villagers/reducing the villagers would be more pro-good unless we made them evil?

This is for science. Standard 9er, all the way. Which is why I'm modding, not playing. Boo d1 all claims.
Tokah

gelrod wrote:

This would be a faster game if everyone had to claim their actual role.


Even if you did, Gel, who would believe you?
Ron

gelrod wrote:

TFang wrote:

gelrod wrote:

This would be a faster game if everyone had to claim their actual role.


Even if you did, Gel, who would believe you?


I think I'll start with a sorc claim.
That tactic tends to get tcrudisi lynched every time. Just sayin'.
Kevin

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

TFang wrote:

gelrod wrote:

This would be a faster game if everyone had to claim their actual role.


Even if you did, Gel, who would believe you?


I think I'll start with a sorc claim.


I'm countering the seer as a villager


FWIW, I think countering the seer as a villager is a much better play than false claiming seer on D1 which is done quite often.

Vander's play had some good potential, team good just didn't read the situation very well after the dust settled.
Kevin

linguistfromhell wrote:

gelrod wrote:

TFang wrote:

gelrod wrote:

This would be a faster game if everyone had to claim their actual role.


Even if you did, Gel, who would believe you?


I think I'll start with a sorc claim.
That tactic tends to get tcrudisi lynched every time. Just sayin'.


I was really hoping to see GoodTcrud lay some of his brand of wackiness on the game to compare side by side with Gel and Jared.
Kevin
I was a tough brutal parity hunter seer. Benes knows.
Kevin

JaredW25 wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

I was a tough brutal parity hunter seer. Benes knows.

You were a seer mason with a tough martyr partner...

That's still the ultimate bullshit.


Nah, I lost that game to some neutrals. angry
The Original Thumb #50
I'll claim on D1.
Walker
While I feel touched by the invites and the noodly appendages of my fellow wolves ( heart), I can't play werewolf at this time due to work related reasons.

Day Zarski-Riley

twomillionbucks wrote:

While I feel touched by the invites and the noodly appendages of my fellow wolves (heart), I can't play werewolf at this time due to work related reasons.



This is a disgrace and I shall be writing to your employer to complain.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
Tree is a valid claim, right? In!
Avin Fernando
I'll play.

I think the D1 all claim in a 9er is inferior (for good) to a D2 all claim. I did see the discussion on the previously ended 9er. But it also goes without saying if the village lynches the seer or priest on D1 that's even worse.
Phelan

linguistfromhell wrote:

gelrod wrote:

TFang wrote:

gelrod wrote:

This would be a faster game if everyone had to claim their actual role.


Even if you did, Gel, who would believe you?


I think I'll start with a sorc claim.
That tactic tends to get tcrudisi lynched every time. Just sayin'.
I've won two games I claimed sorc in.
Kevin

Avin wrote:

I'll play.

I think the D1 all claim in a 9er is inferior (for good) to a D2 all claim. I did see the discussion on the previously ended 9er. But it also goes without saying if the village lynches the seer or priest on D1 that's even worse.


That's 9. I don't see myself getting this set up until late tomorrow evening or Monday morning - so plan for Tuesday first lynch.
Kiwi's ModBot
Seating Order (nicknames):
1. gelrod
2. JaredW25 (jared)
3. Androl
4. Rhanddom
5. Dake
6. Vanderscamp
7. ohgrande
8. ljtrigirl (god vote god, lj, god)
9. Avin
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
[{Androl} signup][{Vanderscamp} signup][{Dake} signup][{JaredW15} signup][{gelrod} signup][{ljtrigirl} signup][{ohgrande} signup][{Rhanddom} signup][{Avin} signup]
L Squared

twomillionbucks wrote:

While I feel touched by the invites and the noodly appendages of my fellow wolves (heart), I can't play werewolf at this time due to work related reasons.



Noooooo. soblue
L Squared
I claim Hooker.
Kevin

ljtrigirl wrote:

I claim Hooker.


Wrong 9er.
Kevin
Setting Game Up, No Posting Please
Kevin
[DAWN]

I've given modchats to all players through QuickTopic.

We may be using ModKiwi for tallies, waiting to get some info there. ModKiwi is working for ISOs though if you want to use it:

http://mod-kiwi.appspot.com/game/451e7e59

Remember, all players MUST claim a valid role (Wolf, Sorcerer, Seer, Priest, Hunter, Villager) by end of Day 1. If you do not, you WILL be ModKilled.

You May Post.
L Squared
I'm still the hooker.

[vote jared]
The Original Thumb #50
I'm a werewolf! Grrrr.
Dake Jimson
to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

[vote gelrod]

Do we have auto tallies?

I'm the seer.


do you want to give your N0? it'll help you get reactions to this false claim.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.
L Squared
I plan on claiming my real role at some point today.

I will probably claim at least one other role as well.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?
Kevin
We do not have auto tallies yet. Trying to figure out what will be easiest to implement

Tally
JaredW25 - 1: ljtrigirl (1)
ljtrigirl - 1: Dake (2)
gelrod - 1: JaredW25 (3)

Not Voting: Androl, Avin, gelrod, ohgrande, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
start
{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod

Sorry ape, should have told you you need to post start to start the game.
Dusk, dawn, and killed xxx should work like you expect.

Also just a reminder to the players--as of now you have to use a player's full username to vote
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1)
Not voting: Androl, Avin, JaredW15, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ljtrigirl, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Also just a reminder to the players--as of now you have to use a player's full username to vote

This is on my agenda to fix, but sadly it hasn't happened yet.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

[vote gelrod]

Do we have auto tallies?

I'm the seer.


do you want to give your N0? it'll help you get reactions to this false claim.


N0 dake.


what do you think of the sweat that has appeared on lj's brow?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1)
Not voting: Androl, Avin, JaredW15, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ljtrigirl, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Oh fuck, I messed up Jared's username when I added him.
Kevin
Deleting Duplicate Vote
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.
Dake Jimson

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

start
{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod

Sorry ape, should have told you you need to post start to start the game.
Dusk, dawn, and killed xxx should work like you expect.

Also just a reminder to the players--as of now you have to use a player's full username to vote


should we not be putting the votes in brackets and do i need to put my own name in squiggly brackets?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1) , Dake (2)
Not voting: Androl, Avin, JaredW15, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ljtrigirl, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.


oh yeah? how come?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Oh fuck, I messed up Jared's username when I added him.

Bleh, hang on. I'll fix this momentarily. Or try to anyway :/
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1) , Dake (2)
Not voting: Androl, Avin, JaredW15, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ljtrigirl, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Kevin
Thanks Kiwi!
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.


oh yeah? how come?


Because you know that being a dick like this and throwing suspicion on me early in game in non-productive ways make me get angry and makes my reads bad. I don't see you doing that intentionally as good.
Kevin

Dake wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

start
{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod

Sorry ape, should have told you you need to post start to start the game.
Dusk, dawn, and killed xxx should work like you expect.

Also just a reminder to the players--as of now you have to use a player's full username to vote


should we not be putting the votes in brackets and do i need to put my own name in squiggly brackets?


I believe the "squiggly brackets" allow others to perform actions for you. If you just bold an action, ModKiwi should recognize it as coming from you.

Just in case it needs to be said, if you perform an action for somebody else, I'll kill you dead.
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

[vote gelrod]

Do we have auto tallies?

I'm the seer.


do you want to give your N0? it'll help you get reactions to this false claim.


N0 dake.


what do you think of the sweat that has appeared on lj's brow?

It's not sweat.

It's pimp juice because she's a hooker.

In game she's probably evil though.


Why?
L Squared
[vote JaredW25]
Avin Fernando
I'm the seer! ohgrande is not a wolf, so he's lying about his claim.

[vote ohgrande]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1) , Dake (2)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (3)
Not voting: Androl, JaredW15, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ljtrigirl, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Dake, to answer your questions: you do not need brackets if the vote is the entirely of the bold tag. It views either an entire bold tag as a command, or if there are brackets in the bold tag, everything in one set of brackets.

You do not need to use curly braces; those are a tool that a mod can use to post a command as if they were someone else. So I'm just trying to put in the votes that already occurred.

I think I can fix this...
L Squared
My votes are not taking.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

RoyalApe wrote:

Just in case it needs to be said, if you perform an action for somebody else, I'll kill you dead.

Only works for mods.

So no need to worry about that =)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

ljtrigirl wrote:

My votes are not taking.

That's because I accidentally put JaredW25 in as JaredW15.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.


oh yeah? how come?


Because you know that being a dick like this and throwing suspicion on me early in game in non-productive ways make me get angry and makes my reads bad. I don't see you doing that intentionally as good.


you're this touchy already?

yikes.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.


oh yeah? how come?


Because you know that being a dick like this and throwing suspicion on me early in game in non-productive ways make me get angry and makes my reads bad. I don't see you doing that intentionally as good.


you're this touchy already?

yikes.


Because clearly poking me more when I'm in a bad mood is a good idea.

[vote dake]
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
replace JaredW15 with JaredW25
[dusk][dawn] (just resetting the vote tally)
{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod
{Avin} vote ohgrande
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
{ljtrigirl} vote Dake
Kiwi's ModBot
JaredW25 has replaced JaredW15.

Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (2)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (3)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (4)
Not voting: Androl, Rhanddom, Vanderscamp, gelrod, ohgrande

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25

aaaaand, I still fuck up.

But she voted for Dake now, so this vote no longer counts anyway. Any objections if I don't fix it since the tally is now (I believe) correct except missing this out-of-date vote?
L Squared
vote jaredW25
vote dake
Kevin

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25

aaaaand, I still fuck up.

But she voted for Dake now, so this vote no longer counts anyway. Any objections if I don't fix it since the tally is now (I believe) correct except missing this out-of-date vote?


Let me try to fix it so I can put it through the paces.
Alabaster
So the first thing about this game, is that if everyone treats it as a joke, like, hardclaiming wolf for the entire day, the experiment becomes meaningless.
Avin Fernando
Yes, we should absolutely keep full record of lj's shady voting behavior.
Alabaster
Also, I'm villager, come at me counterclaims!
Alabaster
[vote Rhanddom]
L Squared

Avin wrote:

Yes, we should absolutely keep full record of lj's shady voting behavior.


Psh. Tallies should always be accurate.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (1)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (2)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (3)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (5)
Not voting: Androl, Rhanddom, gelrod, ohgrande

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Alabaster

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


thumbsup
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Also, I'm villager, come at me counterclaims!


that's two! there's only 3. who's gonna jump in the last seat!?
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

I am trying to decide if being truthful is actually pro-evil.

Let me think on this.


What happened to you being sure it was pro-evil last game?
Kevin
[dusk][dawn] (just resetting the vote tally)
{ljtrigirl} vote JaredW25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod
{Avin} vote ohgrande
{ljtrigirl} vote Dake
{Vanderscamp} vote Rhanddom
Dake Jimson
jared, you can never prove that it's pro-evil, if you don't tell the truth.

interesting conundrum, if you're good.
Kevin

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Yes, we should absolutely keep full record of lj's shady voting behavior.


Psh. Tallies should always be accurate.


I did not include your revotes as it looked to be you just correcting the tally
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
Not voting: Androl, Rhanddom, gelrod, ohgrande

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L Squared
So, here's the question.

Should the Hunter claim Villager or Hunter here?

Asking for a friend. whistle

I lean Villager, but I also don't know the intent of this experiment. Is it to have everyone claim truthfully? I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Terribly sorry for all the confusion and issues :/

I'm going copy-paste what I posted about modkiwi in my game here in case it helps.

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

To vote to lynch a player, post vote modkiwi in bold; the player's username must be spelled out exactly (still working on that one, with a job starting modkiwi hasn't been my highest priority lately, sadly :/).

Any commands for modkiwi should be the only thing in the bold tag--for example, sneakily vote linguistfromhell and throw a kiwifruit at him won't work, as the entire bold tag is processed as one command.
Alternately, you may surround what you want processed in brackets; this would also allow you to make multiple commands in one bold tag.

For example, sneakily [vote linguistfromhell] and throw a kiwifruit at him would work.


For RoyalApe (and any future mods):

instuctions wrote:

dusk will change it to thinking it's night (and reset the tally). dawn will change it to thinking it's day (and reset the tally). Voting at night is not allowed unless you add setting vote_night. Voting during the day is allowed unless you add setting no_vote_day.
to replace a player, use replace oldplayer with newplayer.
to start the game (a little late, I know... ) use start. Or if you have the player count set, you can autostart on and it will start automatically when the designated number of players sign up.
player count n should set the number of players.
As a mod, you can post {someoneelse} command, and that will execute command as if someoneelse had posted it. Useful mostly for me for fixing things I fucked up, but I'm sure other people can find use for it too.
oh, and kill player or killed player will remove them from the tallies. I don't have a way of bringing them back to life yet, but... I'll commit to using the command revive player for that.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

RoyalApe wrote:

[dusk][dawn] (just resetting the vote tally)
{ljtrigirl} vote JaredW25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod
{Avin} vote ohgrande
{ljtrigirl} vote Dake
{Vanderscamp} vote Rhanddom

thanks ape just too lazy to do it myself
Dake Jimson
i don't think there's a rule for the hunter. the hunter can do what they want.

if i were the hunter and i decided to claim villager and some dickless piece of shit tried to claim hunter, i'd counter them. maybe.
L Squared
I guess I should go read the discussion about this. Is there a link?

I think the biggest thing that I can think of is that the seer having their N0 as a villager is probably near mathwin but having N0 of Hunter or Priest is pro-evil, which makes things swingy.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

i don't think there's a rule for the hunter. the hunter can do what they want.

if i were the hunter and i decided to claim villager and some dickless piece of shit tried to claim hunter, i'd counter them. maybe.


Ok.

I'm a villager.
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.


Is that a real vote?


it's formatted correctly. it'll really show up in a tally.


No, I mean is that meta or do you think I'm evil?


you've only said like one thing and i don't typically pretend to be that good at this game.

but for the sake of argument, sure, i think you're evil. are you scared? you seem nervous and scared. like a nervous and scared little wolf that's scared.

nailed it, right?


No, but this kind of makes me think you're evil.


oh yeah? how come?


Because you know that being a dick like this and throwing suspicion on me early in game in non-productive ways make me get angry and makes my reads bad. I don't see you doing that intentionally as good.


I don't see how he's being a dick.
Also, I think that it's more likely that goodDake does this kind of stuff at the start of the game than evilDake.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Also, I'm villager, come at me counterclaims!


that's two! there's only 3. who's gonna jump in the last seat!?


L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Also, I'm villager, come at me counterclaims!


that's two! there's only 3. who's gonna jump in the last seat!?




Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, here's the question.

Should the Hunter claim Villager or Hunter here?

Asking for a friend. whistle

I lean Villager, but I also don't know the intent of this experiment. Is it to have everyone claim truthfully? I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


This is a good question, I think it depends on the other claims.
If the hunter is an uncountered clear then it's likely good to claim because they'll get nked before getting to final three.

If there are no confirmed goods on D1 it'd be pretty terrible, because they'll just get pointlessly nked.
L Squared
Claims:

Jared- Seer, N0 Dake
Avin- Seer, N0 ohgrande
ohgrande- Wolf
Dake- Villager
Vanders- Villager
ljtrigirl- Villager
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

RoyalApe wrote:

Dake wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

start
{ljtrigirl} vote Jared W25
{Dake} vote ljtrigirl
{JaredW25} vote gelrod

Sorry ape, should have told you you need to post start to start the game.
Dusk, dawn, and killed xxx should work like you expect.

Also just a reminder to the players--as of now you have to use a player's full username to vote


should we not be putting the votes in brackets and do i need to put my own name in squiggly brackets?


I believe the "squiggly brackets" allow others to perform actions for you. If you just bold an action, ModKiwi should recognize it as coming from you.

Just in case it needs to be said, if you perform an action for somebody else, I'll kill you dead.

I'm-a claim for Royal. He da Sorc. whistle

LJ's false-claiming. I'm the hooker. Also the liner and the sinkerer.
L Squared
Alternatively:

Werewolf- ohgrande
Werewolf-
Sorcerer-
Seer- Avin (N0 ohgrande), Jared (N0 Dake)
Priest-
Hunter-
Villager- Dake
Villager- Vanders
Villager- LJ
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

ljtrigirl wrote:

Claims:

Jared- Seer, N0 Dake
Avin- Seer, N0 ohgrande
ohgrande- Wolf
Dake- Villager
Vanders- Villager
ljtrigirl- Villager

hm. it occurs to me that I have something like this is timebomb already...

(people could post claim I have the boom and it would track the claims in status updates)

I've wasted too much time before getting around for work already, though, so I don't want to do it now, but if there's interest I can add this fairly easily. It didn't track history of claims, only the latest.
L Squared
Yeah. I'm inclined to believe that Jared is telling the truth and Avin is just joking, but we'll see.
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

I am trying to decide if being truthful is actually pro-evil.

Let me think on this.


What happened to you being sure it was pro-evil last game?

I think all claim is pro evil. I can't decide if good truthful is pro-evil. Probably, depending on if evil counters.


That makes sense.
Alabaster
Anyway, I'm heading to sleep.
Goodnight/morning/whatever!
The Original Thumb #50

Avin wrote:

I'm the seer! ohgrande is not a wolf, so he's lying about his claim.

[vote ohgrande]


I hate it when this happens.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?
Avin Fernando

ohgrande wrote:

Avin wrote:

I'm the seer! ohgrande is not a wolf, so he's lying about his claim.

[vote ohgrande]


I hate it when this happens.


Yes sir I caught you in your lie! Now confess your real evil nature.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah. I'm inclined to believe that Jared is telling the truth and Avin is just joking, but we'll see.


Can't I be jokingly telling the truth?
L Squared

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.
L Squared

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah. I'm inclined to believe that Jared is telling the truth and Avin is just joking, but we'll see.


Can't I be jokingly telling the truth?


You can, but I don't think you are.
L Squared
Youtube Video
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.


i'd do this.
L Squared
Jared- How do you feel about gel's entrance?
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.


i'd do this.


I think it's too late now that people have claimed.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

[a mind virus]


what have you done?
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.


i'd do this.


I think it's too late now that people have claimed.


but i was lying.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

[a mind virus]


what have you done?


Too many villagers.
The Original Thumb #50

Avin wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Avin wrote:

I'm the seer! ohgrande is not a wolf, so he's lying about his claim.

[vote ohgrande]


I hate it when this happens.


Yes sir I caught you in your lie! Now confess your real evil nature.


OK, I'm the Priest. Future confessions can be made in the stall down the hall.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.


i'd do this.


I think it's too late now that people have claimed.


but i was lying.


Hmm. I wasn't.

At what point should people start saying their real claims?

I guess I'd be game for simulposting, but Vanders is now sleeping, so we'd have to wait for him to wake up.
Dake Jimson
4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.
L Squared

ohgrande wrote:

Avin wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Avin wrote:

I'm the seer! ohgrande is not a wolf, so he's lying about his claim.

[vote ohgrande]


I hate it when this happens.


Yes sir I caught you in your lie! Now confess your real evil nature.


OK, I'm the Priest. Future confessions can be made in the stall down the hall.


I'm the hooker. Jared still owes me money for services rendered.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


Fair point.
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


I think the Priest should claim villager now that I've got him covered.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.


i'd do this.


I think it's too late now that people have claimed.


but i was lying.


Hmm. I wasn't.

At what point should people start saying their real claims?

I guess I'd be game for simulposting, but Vanders is now sleeping, so we'd have to wait for him to wake up.


i wasn't lying either.
Dake Jimson

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


I think the Priest should claim villager now that I've got him covered.


fine, we freak out at 6.

i think the seer should also claim villager.

so we freak out at 7. and since goods are all claiming villager, the evils should probably claim villager.

so we freak out at 10. glad that's settled.
The Original Thumb #50
[vote ljtrigirl]

Hookers are bad
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


I think the Priest should claim villager now that I've got him covered.


fine, we freak out at 6.

i think the seer should also claim villager.

so we freak out at 7. and since goods are all claiming villager, the evils should probably claim villager.

so we freak out at 10. glad that's settled.


I'm so glad we'll never get 10 villager claims...unless the hooker is pregnant??
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2), ohgrande (7)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
Not voting: Androl, Rhanddom, gelrod

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Dake Jimson
lololol! that was a good one.
Dake Jimson
to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
Not voting: Androl, Rhanddom, gelrod

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Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8)
Dake - 2 - ljtrigirl (5), Androl (9)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
Not voting: Rhanddom, gelrod

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The Original Thumb #50

Androl wrote:

I am a simple villager, just plowing fields and sowing seeds until harvest time.

But, there are more villagers than huts in this simple village. therefore some of you are free-loaders and need to be evicted.

[vote dake]


I don't like this post.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
So how were the roles assigned, anyway? Because Cassie always gives me the sorc for my N0, but she's on vacay, so who's got that pleasure now?
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Why the hell are people voting my n0? Seriously.

Hard claim seer. N0 dake is not a wolf.


He said he is lying about being a villager. When he gets serious I will as well.


i'm seriously claiming villager.
Dake Jimson
being a villager isn't boring. you get to look at all the madness around you and make sense of it.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.


Yeah. It just felt weird.

[vote gelrod]

I asked Jared because he's the best at reading gel.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8), ljtrigirl (10)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
Not voting: Rhanddom, gelrod

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.

It's on par with what I expect if he drew a villager role and is trying to play it straight for science.

Villager is boring if you can't do BSC stuff.

And if people are going to lie about their role as good then this isn't really an all claim d1 so I'm gonna get n1 nk'ed for no reason.

This makes me sad.


Do you ever think he'd play it straight for science though?

I don't.
L Squared
Also, villager is never boring. Villager is the best.
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.


Yeah. It just felt weird.

[vote gelrod]

I asked Jared because he's the best at reading gel.


You claimed villager, LJ?



Yep.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
I'm the priest. My N0 is Mistah Kurtz. He dead.
Dake Jimson

Rhanddom wrote:

I'm the priest. My N0 is Mistah Kurtz. He dead.


ohgy has claimed this too.

are you both hard-claiming?

i'm ready to get down to business.
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.

It's on par with what I expect if he drew a villager role and is trying to play it straight for science.

Villager is boring if you can't do BSC stuff.

And if people are going to lie about their role as good then this isn't really an all claim d1 so I'm gonna get n1 nk'ed for no reason.

This makes me sad.


Do you ever think he'd play it straight for science though?

I don't.


So wait...you're working under the assumption that I'm not "playing it straight" as a villager claim. Which means you think I'm a special? This post implies to me that you know I'm good and think I'm hiding in the village or something like that. If I was a wolf, obviously I would have to lie and "playing it straight" has nothing to do with it.

[vote LJ]


No, I think that your entrance was awkward. Jared said it was because you're villager playing it straight. I don't think you'd do that.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
Jared and gelrod are the wolves.
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

Jared and gelrod are the wolves.


Then how does Avin!Seer with Ohg clear fit into your worldview?
Dake Jimson
even playing villager straight is kinda great.

but anyway. we're at 5 village claims now, right?

and 2 priest claims, but neither one felt very serious.

2 seer claims as well.

this is good. lets shore these up.

i'm hard-claiming villager. hard as iraq.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Jared and gelrod are the wolves.


Then how does Avin!Seer with Ohg clear fit into your worldview?


very easily...
L Squared

Dake wrote:

even playing villager straight is kinda great.

but anyway. we're at 5 village claims now, right?

and 2 priest claims, but neither one felt very serious.

2 seer claims as well.

this is good. lets shore these up.

i'm hard-claiming villager. hard as iraq.


Hard claiming Villager. Hard as gelrod's razor sharp wolf teeth.
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Androl wrote:

I am a simple villager, just plowing fields and sowing seeds until harvest time.

But, there are more villagers than huts in this simple village. therefore some of you are free-loaders and need to be evicted.

[vote dake]


I don't like this post.


I am generally the only person that likes my posts, perhaps you could expand on this thought. why don't you like it? It was sort of a joke tied in with the truth. I thought it was fairly direct.


i bet it's because he thinks you're hiding behind your hilarious joke.
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.

It's on par with what I expect if he drew a villager role and is trying to play it straight for science.

Villager is boring if you can't do BSC stuff.

And if people are going to lie about their role as good then this isn't really an all claim d1 so I'm gonna get n1 nk'ed for no reason.

This makes me sad.


Do you ever think he'd play it straight for science though?

I don't.


So wait...you're working under the assumption that I'm not "playing it straight" as a villager claim. Which means you think I'm a special? This post implies to me that you know I'm good and think I'm hiding in the village or something like that. If I was a wolf, obviously I would have to lie and "playing it straight" has nothing to do with it.

[vote LJ]


No, I think that your entrance was awkward. Jared said it was because you're villager playing it straight. I don't think you'd do that.


That's again my point. Fine, you don't believe I'm claiming my role. Why are you voting for me? Because you think I'm a good special false claiming villager? The frowny face? There are traces of an assumption of good in your logic and you're an evil wolf.


How? I think you're evil. Jared implied that he thinks you might be that way if you're a villager playing it straight. I disagree. I think you're evil.

Like, your logic here doesn't even make sense. Why would I vote for you if I think you're GS claiming villager?
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

even playing villager straight is kinda great.

but anyway. we're at 5 village claims now, right?

and 2 priest claims, but neither one felt very serious.

2 seer claims as well.

this is good. lets shore these up.

i'm hard-claiming villager. hard as iraq.


I'm staying at Priest. Rhand is welcome to hang out here as well but he's lying.
Dake Jimson
lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?
L Squared
Oh. You mean that I'm evil voting for you because I think you're a GS so it'll get you to real claim?
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Androl wrote:

I am a simple villager, just plowing fields and sowing seeds until harvest time.

But, there are more villagers than huts in this simple village. therefore some of you are free-loaders and need to be evicted.

[vote dake]


I don't like this post.


I am generally the only person that likes my posts, perhaps you could expand on this thought. why don't you like it? It was sort of a joke tied in with the truth. I thought it was fairly direct.


i bet it's because he thinks you're hiding behind your hilarious joke.


It wasn't that good.. I hope that was sarcasm.


it was great, goddamnit.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


Yes. I think he is a wolf.

Jared said that he could be villager playing it straight for science. I disagree. I don't think he'd play it straight as a villager.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Oh. You mean that I'm evil voting for you because I think you're a GS so it'll get you to real claim?


well if gelrod "isn't playing it straight." that would mean he's a good special claiming villager. but that can't possibly be what you're accusing him of because you're voting him. so you're either saying he's a wolf or a sorc. if he's a wolf claiming villager, that's playing it pretty straight.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


Yes. I think he is a wolf.

Jared said that he could be villager playing it straight for science. I disagree. I don't think he'd play it straight as a villager.


but you think he'd play it straight as a wolf.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Oh. You mean that I'm evil voting for you because I think you're a GS so it'll get you to real claim?


well if gelrod "isn't playing it straight." that would mean he's a good special claiming villager. but that can't possibly be what you're accusing him of because you're voting him. so you're either saying he's a wolf or a sorc. if he's a wolf claiming villager, that's playing it pretty straight.


I meant straight as a villager.

I think he'd claim villager as wolf off the bat to leave options open.
The Original Thumb #50
Avin could be a wolf in this game which is why he knows I'm not a wolf.

or

He could be the seer and also know that I'm not a wolf.

or

(most likely)

He's just being Avin and I'm just transparent.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


Yes. I think he is a wolf.

Jared said that he could be villager playing it straight for science. I disagree. I don't think he'd play it straight as a villager.


but you think he'd play it straight as a wolf.


Yes. He has a really hard time replicating his BSC stuff as evil.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Oh. You mean that I'm evil voting for you because I think you're a GS so it'll get you to real claim?


well if gelrod "isn't playing it straight." that would mean he's a good special claiming villager. but that can't possibly be what you're accusing him of because you're voting him. so you're either saying he's a wolf or a sorc. if he's a wolf claiming villager, that's playing it pretty straight.


I meant straight as a villager.

I think he'd claim villager as wolf off the bat to leave options open.


okay, just want to make sure i get you.

i get you.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 4 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8), ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
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L Squared
I've intentionally come in doing the "trying to draw a NK and then claiming villager trying to do that" bit in a few games as a wolf. It seems like something he's decide to do.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Oh. You mean that I'm evil voting for you because I think you're a GS so it'll get you to real claim?


well if gelrod "isn't playing it straight." that would mean he's a good special claiming villager. but that can't possibly be what you're accusing him of because you're voting him. so you're either saying he's a wolf or a sorc. if he's a wolf claiming villager, that's playing it pretty straight.


I meant straight as a villager.

I think he'd claim villager as wolf off the bat to leave options open.


okay, just want to make sure i get you.

i get you.


thumbsup
Dake Jimson

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]


how does it lead to a gel vote?
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]


What? Wouldn't the sorc know who to view so a hit is basically guaranteed?
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


i did see one. i think i understand what she's saying now though.

i'm not sold by it. i'm simply voting you for perceived awkwardness due to a frowny face. rock solid shit, man.
L Squared
Like, that entire post just makes me go "huh".
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

I've intentionally come in doing the "trying to draw a NK and then claiming villager trying to do that" bit in a few games as a wolf. It seems like something he's decide to do.


but he's not trying to draw the NK. you lost me again.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I've intentionally come in doing the "trying to draw a NK and then claiming villager trying to do that" bit in a few games as a wolf. It seems like something he's decide to do.


but he's not trying to draw the NK. you lost me again.


He is. He's saying that I'm trying to lynch him because I think he's a GS. He didn't hard claim despite you and me both doing it. That kind of subtle "may or may not really be a villager" stuff is like trying to walk the line between straight villager and GS hiding as villager.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

I don't get this.

We decided to play it straight and all claim.

I'm doing that. I think Gerald is doing that too. I dont consider this a standard game, which is why I'm playing on level 1.


we know what you're doing, you sly fox.
Dake Jimson
i'm enjoying this.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?


It is when he's evil though. We've talked about it several times.
L Squared
Jared- Seer, N0 Dake
Avin- Seer, N0 ohgrande
ohgrande- Priest
Rhanddom- Priest
LJ- Villager
Androl- Villager
Vanders- Villager
Dake- Villager
gelrod- Villager
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?


Isn't level one the point of this game? You're not going to see shenanigans from me this game because I thought this was an experiment as to the nature of an all claim in a niner. But if you want to vote a villager when you have at least two seer claimants, whatever.


don't get all huffy about my vote. it's just where i am right now. it means very little. this day has not marinated even close to enough.

i believe your claim, fwiw. and i generally trust your read of gelrod. it's a little surprised you're already vouching for him. seems early.

if you insist though, i doubt i'll lynch him today.
The Original Thumb #50

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]

No.

Is avin claiming for real? If so he's not the seer.

Can we get an updated list of claims please?


I would vote for Avin/Jared or Rhandom today.

Jared is playing straight seer so far.
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?


Isn't level one the point of this game? You're not going to see shenanigans from me this game because I thought this was an experiment as to the nature of an all claim in a niner. But if you want to vote a villager when you have at least two seer claimants, whatever.


don't get all huffy about my vote. it's just where i am right now. it means very little. this day has not marinated even close to enough.

i believe your claim, fwiw. and i generally trust your read of gelrod. it's a little surprised you're already vouching for him. seems early.

if you insist though, i doubt i'll lynch him today.


Why do you trust gelrod's read of gelrod?
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gelrod - 4 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8), ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
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Dake Jimson
oh that was gelrod speaking not jared.

is the point of this experiment level 1? not exactly. the point is really to see the result of a D1 all-claim. goods don't HAVE to tell the truth in an all-claim. generally speaking, it's in their best interest to, but i don't know. think of it like a 5er. playing around with lies in the initial stages can help, so i'm not against people doing that.

the experiment will be just fine.
Dake Jimson

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?


Isn't level one the point of this game? You're not going to see shenanigans from me this game because I thought this was an experiment as to the nature of an all claim in a niner. But if you want to vote a villager when you have at least two seer claimants, whatever.


don't get all huffy about my vote. it's just where i am right now. it means very little. this day has not marinated even close to enough.

i believe your claim, fwiw. and i generally trust your read of gelrod. it's a little surprised you're already vouching for him. seems early.

if you insist though, i doubt i'll lynch him today.


Why do you trust gelrod's read of gelrod?


lol, i thought i was talking to jared there.
L Squared
So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

ljtrigirl wrote:

Jared- Seer, N0 Dake
Avin- Seer, N0 ohgrande
ohgrande- Priest
Rhanddom- Priest
LJ- Villager
Androl- Villager
Vanders- Villager
Dake- Villager
gelrod- Villager

You left out my N0.
Dake Jimson
i would like to hear avin make a firmer claim.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

i would like to hear avin make a firmer claim.


I don't know if I need to.

I think he is the sorcerer.
Dake Jimson
i guess i don't think gelrod is evil. as damning as a frowny-face is, i must look elsewhere.

[vote avin]

to see if he holds with that seer claim.

i could also vote rhanddom. but i probably won't.
L Squared
Given the number of people talking about goods false claiming before the game and at the start of the game, I don't think you honestly believe that everyone is supposed to play level 1.
The Original Thumb #50

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

i would like to hear avin make a firmer claim.


I don't know if I need to.

I think he is the sorcerer.


I'd suspect wolf over sorc FWIW. I think Rhandom is the Sorcerer based on his "What would the Sorc claim?" post.
L Squared
I lean more towards believing Rhanddom over ohg, but that's partially because I think Avin thinks I'm wolves with ohg.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3), Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
Avin - 2 - gelrod (12), Dake (13)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
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L Squared
Wolves: gelrod and ohgrande
Sorcerer: Avin

#nailedit
The Original Thumb #50
Androl is the other evil. Well, it might be Vanders but nothing has popped out on him yet so he's still kind of a null read for me.
Dake Jimson
i'm more inclined to push at the seer claims rather than the priest claims.

the priest claims are still soft and undercooked.
Dake Jimson
i'd pencil androl in as a wolf. sure.
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

i'm more inclined to push at the seer claims rather than the priest claims.

the priest claims are still soft and undercooked.


How much harder does my claim need to be? shake
L Squared
Androl would be a great view for the seer, just because of his innate mislynchability.
Dake Jimson

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'm more inclined to push at the seer claims rather than the priest claims.

the priest claims are still soft and undercooked.


How much harder does my claim need to be? shake


i don't want it to be any harder than runny eggs.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'm more inclined to push at the seer claims rather than the priest claims.

the priest claims are still soft and undercooked.


How much harder does my claim need to be? shake


i don't want it to be any harder than runny eggs.


How do you feel about poached eggs?
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'm more inclined to push at the seer claims rather than the priest claims.

the priest claims are still soft and undercooked.


How much harder does my claim need to be? shake


i don't want it to be any harder than runny eggs.


How do you feel about poached eggs?


they'll do.
Dake Jimson
yeah, i think that lj is good.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.
Dake Jimson
and i think she's wrong on wolves. maybe right on sorc. need to know if avin is holding his claim.
The Original Thumb #50

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


But she's still a hooker and hasn't asked for forgiveness yet.
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.
L Squared

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


Wait. You were in that game.

You know I've gotten there!
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


shall we call it then?
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.


Why do you believe Jared over Avin?
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


shall we call it then?


Call what?
Dake Jimson
so if you're able to successfully mimic your good tone as evil, you're not allowed to be mad at people for thinking you're evil anymore, right?
Kevin

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


angry angry angry
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


shall we call it then?


Call what?


i thought you were saying something else. i thought you were saying you nailed the evils there. i get what you were saying now and i have posted a new snarky comment.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

so if you're able to successfully mimic your good tone as evil, you're not allowed to be mad at people for thinking you're evil anymore, right?


Eh. It depends on why they think I'm evil.

I reserve the right to always get mad about whatever I want. #Murica
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Vote Tally:
Avin - 3 - gelrod (12), Dake (13), JaredW25 (14)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
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L Squared

RoyalApe wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


angryangryangry


heart heart heart heart

Getting you, Tommy, Saber, Banks, Kango, and Kane to all say I was good made me so happy.

I mean, Tommy posted that "if LJ is still alive in a few days, she's probably evil" thing, but still.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Avin - 3 - gelrod (12), Dake (13), JaredW25 (14)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
Dake - 1 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1)
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Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

RoyalApe wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I think I've decided LJ might not be a wolf. If she is she's doing a great job imitating her play as a horribly incorrect villager. We're all in trouble if she's figured out how to mimic "overconfident in really bad reads villager!LJ" as evil.


Dude. You should go read that Mafia Universe game. I nailed it there.


angryangryangry


heartheartheartheart

Getting you, Tommy, Saber, Banks, Kango, and Kane to all say I was good made me so happy.

I mean, Tommy posted that "if LJ is still alive in a few days, she's probably evil" thing, but still.


he's still sore about this.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Avin - 4 - gelrod (12), Dake (13), JaredW25 (14), Androl (15)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
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Kevin

Rhanddom wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.



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Avin - 4 - gelrod (12), Dake (13), JaredW25 (14), Androl (15)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
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RoyalApe wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.



{Rhanddom} vote JaredW25

All votes have to be the full name, I will do my best to look for these.

someone did a vote LJ earlier, don't remember who. They've probably revoted since then.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

ljtrigirl wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.


Why do you believe Jared over Avin?

Believe that Jared is more likely Sorc than Avin? Reasons. Also, I don't like to lynch Avin on D1, at least not when I'm not evil.
Kevin

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.

It's on par with what I expect if he drew a villager role and is trying to play it straight for science.

Villager is boring if you can't do BSC stuff.

And if people are going to lie about their role as good then this isn't really an all claim d1 so I'm gonna get n1 nk'ed for no reason.

This makes me sad.


Do you ever think he'd play it straight for science though?

I don't.


So wait...you're working under the assumption that I'm not "playing it straight" as a villager claim. Which means you think I'm a special? This post implies to me that you know I'm good and think I'm hiding in the village or something like that. If I was a wolf, obviously I would have to lie and "playing it straight" has nothing to do with it.

[vote LJ]



{gelrod} vote ljtrigirl

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Vote Tally:
Avin - 3 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13), JaredW25 (14), Androl (15)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
JaredW25 - 1 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
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JaredW25 wrote:

LJ, I'm pretty sure gel is good.

You're also voting with Rhanddom who is likely bad.

Right, so you are his wolf partner. Sorc!Avin must have misread Priest!ohgy's feint.

I'm the real Seer. LJ is my N0. This is over. micdrop.gif
Kevin

{gelrod} vote Avin
Dake Jimson
serious, rhand?
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Vote Tally:
Avin - 4 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13), JaredW25 (14), Androl (15), gelrod (18)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
Rhanddom - 1 - Vanderscamp (6)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
JaredW25 - 1 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
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Avin - 3 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13), JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
Rhanddom - 2 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19)
ohgrande - 1 - Avin (4)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
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Dake wrote:

serious, rhand?

In every way, on every level.
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Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

JaredW25 wrote:

Is sorc!Rhanddom trying to step in for wolf!Avin? Or is wolf!rhanddom trying to aux box himself?

It's over, Jared. Thanks for playing.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

Is sorc!Rhanddom trying to step in for wolf!Avin? Or is wolf!rhanddom trying to aux box himself?


my guess is the former.

avin's response to all this will help me see what's really going on.
Dake Jimson

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Is sorc!Rhanddom trying to step in for wolf!Avin? Or is wolf!rhanddom trying to aux box himself?

It's over, Jared. Thanks for playing.


gel and jared are the wolves? i dunno. seems unlikely.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

to truly test this, i think goods need to be truthful, at least after a certain period of fucking around. i understand a good false-claiming to feel around. kinda like a 5er. but by the end of the day, unless you think you really have solid plan in place, i think your real claim should come out.

with that said, i am claiming villager.

[vote ljtrigirl]

because she's not claiming a valid role.

Took this as gospel, I did. Had my certain period of fucking around. Kind of sorry I didn't get to interact with VC before coming out, but it was time.
L Squared

Androl wrote:

So Avin is claiming seer, and his clear is ohg, but he also voted ohg? Was that a meta clear thing for a seer or a slip up?

[vote Avin]

I'm out for a few hours here shortly, will check back in later this afternoon or evening.


Dude.
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

LJ, I'm pretty sure gel is good.

You're also voting with Rhanddom who is likely bad.

Right, so you are his wolf partner. Sorc!Avin must have misread Priest!ohgy's feint.

I'm the real Seer. LJ is my N0. This is over. micdrop.gif


Really?

I don't believe you.
The Original Thumb #50
So, that happened.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

ljtrigirl wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

LJ, I'm pretty sure gel is good.

You're also voting with Rhanddom who is likely bad.

Right, so you are his wolf partner. Sorc!Avin must have misread Priest!ohgy's feint.

I'm the real Seer. LJ is my N0. This is over. micdrop.gif


Really?

I don't believe you.

Really. Read it over, you'll come around.
Dake Jimson
need avin's take.
Dake Jimson
at the moment, i'm pretty firmly in jared's corner.
Avin Fernando
Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.
Avin Fernando

ohgrande wrote:

Avin could be a wolf in this game which is why he knows I'm not a wolf.

or

He could be the seer and also know that I'm not a wolf.

or

(most likely)

He's just being Avin and I'm just transparent.


These options are not mutually exclusive.
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


it felt right.

what do you think about rhand and jared?
Avin Fernando

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]


This speculation is really odd.

Why does the sorc claiming seer have a tough time finding the actual seer?

[vote Rhanddom]
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Avin - 3 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13), JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
gelrod - 1 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11)
JaredW25 - 1 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
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Avin Fernando

Androl wrote:

So Avin is claiming seer, and his clear is ohg, but he also voted ohg? Was that a meta clear thing for a seer or a slip up?

[vote Avin]

I'm out for a few hours here shortly, will check back in later this afternoon or evening.


Are you not reading this game?
Avin Fernando

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

LJ, I'm pretty sure gel is good.

You're also voting with Rhanddom who is likely bad.

Right, so you are his wolf partner. Sorc!Avin must have misread Priest!ohgy's feint.

I'm the real Seer. LJ is my N0. This is over. micdrop.gif


I do appreciate this claim but I don't think it works.
Avin Fernando

Dake wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


it felt right.

what do you think about rhand and jared?


I have no objection to Jared.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
I was sad when ohgy claimed priest. Otherwise I'd just say lynch me and let the priest confirm my role.

[vote gelrod]
Dake Jimson
[vote rhanddom]

do you want to claim something, avin?
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22)
Avin - 2 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?
Dake Jimson
well avin isn't really claiming seer and i believe jared. so that makes it kinda hard.

make it easy for me, rhand. do you have it solved?
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

well avin isn't really claiming seer and i believe jared. so that makes it kinda hard.

make it easy for me, rhand. do you have it solved?

I think I do. I mean, I could be wrong; but I think a false-claiming Good!Avin would recognize me as the real Seer, and gelrod is obviously wolf, and Jared's obviously evil, so that's about it, innit?
Dake Jimson

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

well avin isn't really claiming seer and i believe jared. so that makes it kinda hard.

make it easy for me, rhand. do you have it solved?

I think I do. I mean, I could be wrong; but I think a false-claiming Good!Avin would recognize me as the real Seer, and gelrod is obviously wolf, and Jared's obviously evil, so that's about it, innit?


none of those givens are resonating with me.

well, i can understand you being sure about jared because he's pretty firmly hard-claiming.

but why would avin automatically recognize you as the real seer?

and why is gelrod definitely evil?
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?

I hear passive aggressiveness works really well for people in this game.

Hmm, there you've got a point. Sorry to have been bitchy.

I think you're pretty transparently evil, but then I've got information the rest of the village doesn't. If you're good, then you're doing your team no favors by holding onto your false-claim now that the real Seer has claimed.

Better?
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

well avin isn't really claiming seer and i believe jared. so that makes it kinda hard.

make it easy for me, rhand. do you have it solved?

I think I do. I mean, I could be wrong; but I think a false-claiming Good!Avin would recognize me as the real Seer, and gelrod is obviously wolf, and Jared's obviously evil, so that's about it, innit?


none of those givens are resonating with me.

well, i can understand you being sure about jared because he's pretty firmly hard-claiming.

but why would avin automatically recognize you as the real seer?

and why is gelrod definitely evil?

Because I'm pretty transparent, and Avin's good at this game.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red
And as for gelrod, the "wolf playing it straight by claiming villager" makes perfect sense. I think he's annoyed at being wolf partners with Jared for the second time in a week. It didn't go well in Gunmen.
Avin Fernando

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?

I hear passive aggressiveness works really well for people in this game.

Hmm, there you've got a point. Sorry to have been bitchy.

I think you're pretty transparently evil, but then I've got information the rest of the village doesn't. If you're good, then you're doing your team no favors by holding onto your false-claim now that the real Seer has claimed.

Better?


If he was a villager claiming seer to wait until the real seer claimed, why would he retract? Why wouldn't he keep his claim until D2, to keep the wolves guessing?

This isn't a fiver where you have to *settle* the claims on D1. The village has a mislynch available, even if we are doing an all claim on D1.
Dake Jimson
which posts of gelrod's sound annoyed?
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

gelrod wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Jared- How do you feel about gel's entrance?

Okay so far.

This game is weird though. I'm playing it level 1 for the sake of science. I hope others are too, so my expectations are already set.

I think I prefer lying though.


And yes, to be clear, I'm playing very strictly level one. Maybe one-point-five.

This, after a frowny face and a half-hearted joke and an extended silence, came across as annoyed to me. Maybe that's the wrong shade of unhappy. But this is not Team-Good-hunty gelrod, I think.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

And as for gelrod, the "wolf playing it straight by claiming villager" makes perfect sense. I think he's annoyed at being wolf partners with Jared for the second time in a week. It didn't go well in Gunmen.

Gerald would not ever be annoyed to draw evil with me except when meta screws us.

Had either of us been sneaky gunmen would have been a completely different story.

(That's not saying you did badly, I just mean we could have made it work.

are you taking your own frustration with being evil and projecting it toward me?

If you knew me better, you'd know that frustration is usually a sign that I'm good and failing to get that across to my teammates, not evil and failing to pull off a con. You'd also realize that I haven't reached the frustrated stage yet. Or maybe you know both of those things about me, and you're trying to push me to frustration, knowing how self-defeating my expression of frustration tends to be? Clever wolf!
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Avin wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?

I hear passive aggressiveness works really well for people in this game.

Hmm, there you've got a point. Sorry to have been bitchy.

I think you're pretty transparently evil, but then I've got information the rest of the village doesn't. If you're good, then you're doing your team no favors by holding onto your false-claim now that the real Seer has claimed.

Better?


If he was a villager claiming seer to wait until the real seer claimed, why would he retract? Why wouldn't he keep his claim until D2, to keep the wolves guessing?

This isn't a fiver where you have to *settle* the claims on D1. The village has a mislynch available, even if we are doing an all claim on D1.

If you actually get away with defending your wolf against the real seer while counterclaiming them both, I'll be quite impressed.
L Squared

Androl wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl wrote:

So Avin is claiming seer, and his clear is ohg, but he also voted ohg? Was that a meta clear thing for a seer or a slip up?

[vote Avin]

I'm out for a few hours here shortly, will check back in later this afternoon or evening.


Dude.


Yes?


Like, his vote was clearly a metavote/joke. The thing in question is whether or not his claim was.
L Squared

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
so this should work... heh.

nickname ljtrigirl as LJ
nickname JaredW25 as Jared

only mods can nickname other people.
you can make a nickname for yourself with
nickname kiwifruits
(this would assign the nickname "kiwifruits" to me)

also usernames/nicknames are case insensitive.
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?


I don't really get why you slow played it or why you claimed Priest if you were actually the seer.
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?

I hear passive aggressiveness works really well for people in this game.

Hmm, there you've got a point. Sorry to have been bitchy.

I think you're pretty transparently evil, but then I've got information the rest of the village doesn't. If you're good, then you're doing your team no favors by holding onto your false-claim now that the real Seer has claimed.

Better?


Why is he transparently evil?
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.


This is not the impression I was under.

This may or may not affect my current claim. I'd rather not either retract or hard claim now, either way, but is this really what everyone else would say the point of this game is?
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

so this should work... heh.

nickname ljtrigirl as LJ
nickname JaredW25 as Jared

only mods can nickname other people.
you can make a nickname for yourself with
nickname kiwifruits
(this would assign the nickname "kiwifruits" to me)

also usernames/nicknames are case insensitive.


Can you nickname "gelrod" as "God"? Helenus picks up [vote god] as [vote gelrod].


Kiwi13cubed wrote:

you can make a nickname for yourself with
nickname kiwifruits
(this would assign the nickname "kiwifruits" to me)

whistle
L Squared
nickname god

Kevin

gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

so this should work... heh.

nickname ljtrigirl as LJ
nickname JaredW25 as Jared

only mods can nickname other people.
you can make a nickname for yourself with
nickname kiwifruits
(this would assign the nickname "kiwifruits" to me)

also usernames/nicknames are case insensitive.


Can you nickname "gelrod" as "God"? Helenus picks up [vote god] as [vote gelrod].


Request Denied.
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.


This is not the impression I was under.

This may or may not affect my current claim. I'd rather not either retract or hard claim now, either way, but is this really what everyone else would say the point of this game is?


there are no rules except you have to claim a valid role today. if, as a village, we want to enforce other rules, we'll have to do so with lynch pressure.

so you're allowed to play this however you want.

i can tell you how this came about. the last 9er i ran, vanderscamp (who was a villager) suggested a D1 all-claim, there was resistance and a bit of discussion about whether or not it would work out well for good.

this game was made to see how the 9er plays when an all-claim happens on D1.
Kevin

nickname BestButt
The Original Thumb #50

Dake wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.


This is not the impression I was under.

This may or may not affect my current claim. I'd rather not either retract or hard claim now, either way, but is this really what everyone else would say the point of this game is?


there are no rules except you have to claim a valid role today. if, as a village, we want to enforce other rules, we'll have to do so with lynch pressure.

so you're allowed to play this however you want.

i can tell you how this came about. the last 9er i ran, vanderscamp (who was a villager) suggested a D1 all-claim, there was resistance and a bit of discussion about whether or not it would work out well for good.

this game was made to see how the 9er plays when an all-claim happens on D1.


Assuming a truthful village, evil needs to pick what claims they want to get into.

If they get into all the specials or all the villagers, the village ends up with 3-4 clears.

So, evil should probably get into some of the specials and into the villager pool. 2 specials and 1 villager results in only 1 clear for sure, but, it does expose 2 evils based on the claims. How well the claims are handled will determine the outcome I think.

I strongly suspect that it's in the village's best interest to play it straight without any shenanigans.
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gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
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gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
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L Squared

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

nickname god



nickname God

Shouldn't you be "goddess" anyways?


Psh. Who says god is a man?

nickname god

vote god
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
I love how they're fighting over the nickname to vote for themselves...
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

nickname god



nickname God

Shouldn't you be "goddess" anyways?


Psh. Who says god is a man?

nickname god

vote god


Fine. You can have it.

nickname God


Eh. I'm more curious if people can steal nicknames. Like, if I try to nickname myself Jared, will that work if it's already been assigned?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

nickname god



nickname God

Shouldn't you be "goddess" anyways?


Psh. Who says god is a man?

nickname god

vote god


Fine. You can have it.

nickname God


Eh. I'm more curious if people can steal nicknames. Like, if I try to nickname myself Jared, will that work if it's already been assigned?

Yep. (should it?)
L Squared

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

nickname god



nickname God

Shouldn't you be "goddess" anyways?


Psh. Who says god is a man?

nickname god

vote god


Fine. You can have it.

nickname God


Eh. I'm more curious if people can steal nicknames. Like, if I try to nickname myself Jared, will that work if it's already been assigned?

Yep. (should it?)


*shrug* I don't care that much. Lol.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

ljtrigirl wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

nickname god



nickname God

Shouldn't you be "goddess" anyways?


Psh. Who says god is a man?

nickname god

vote god


Fine. You can have it.

nickname God


Eh. I'm more curious if people can steal nicknames. Like, if I try to nickname myself Jared, will that work if it's already been assigned?

Yep. (should it?)


*shrug* I don't care that much. Lol.

seems like it would not be in your best interest to trick people into voting for you, so I think it's ok. And if anyone tries to abuse it, they can be modkilled or something whistle
Dake Jimson
Rhando, can you explain what you hoped to accomplish with a priest claim?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
{gelrod} claim god
whistle

claim tracking seems to be working.
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - god
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Androl - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - (no claim)
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - god
JaredW25 - (no claim)
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - (no claim)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
(I don't want to put in claims for people because I don't feel like tracking back through the thread trying to find them, and I don't want to just trust someone's list)
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - god
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - (no claim)
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - (no claim)
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.

I agree with you that doing it optimally would be all of us claiming at the same time, but I don't think that's realistically ever going to happen.
Even if it did, there's no way to know that it wasn't being exploited by quick evils.


There's a 0% chance that all-claiming is always bad. Even if it's bad this game, which I don't think it is, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea on D2 or any other day. I could use the last game as "proof" that all-claiming D1 is good, because it would have prevented us from lynching the priest and the seer D1 and D2.
Avin Fernando
claim seer
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6), JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - (no claim)
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - seer
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Anyway, I'm heading to sleep.
Goodnight/morning/whatever!


[vote vanders]

There's nothing more entertaining than forcing a run up on vanders while he's sleeping. Except maybe killing vanders while he's sleeping. Or even lynching him, while he's sleeping.


[vote gelrod] angry
Alabaster
Do I just bold this?
claim villager
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17)
Avin - 1 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15), gelrod (18)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - seer
Avin Fernando

Avin wrote:

claim seer


I get that my claim is suspect. But I feel like either hard claiming or retracting at this point is strategically inferior. I'm not opposed to having three seer claims at the moment.

However if the "experiment" really insists I "hard claim" I may update again.
Alabaster

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

ohgrande wrote:

Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


I think the Priest should claim villager now that I've got him covered.


fine, we freak out at 6.

i think the seer should also claim villager.

so we freak out at 7. and since goods are all claiming villager, the evils should probably claim villager.

so we freak out at 10. glad that's settled.


I'm so glad we'll never get 10 villager claims...unless the hooker is pregnant??


We had six hunter claims in the last 9er, with one of them being a player outside the game.
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

I am a simple villager, just plowing fields and sowing seeds until harvest time.

But, there are more villagers than huts in this simple village. therefore some of you are free-loaders and need to be evicted.

[vote dake]


Dake wrote:

4 isn't technically too many if the hunter claiming villager is a potential thing.

we can freak out at 5.


Alabaster
As of page 8 I'm not liking Androl based on him not posting the same kind of content/strategy stuff as last game.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Dake wrote:

to answer your initial question, lj, it was a meta vote. but your need to ask that question did ping me slightly. the subsequent prickliness has me leaning slightly good though.

[vote gelrod]

you asked jared about his entrance and not me. but i think it was a slightly awkward entrance.

the frowny face.

It's on par with what I expect if he drew a villager role and is trying to play it straight for science.

Villager is boring if you can't do BSC stuff.

And if people are going to lie about their role as good then this isn't really an all claim d1 so I'm gonna get n1 nk'ed for no reason.

This makes me sad.


Do you ever think he'd play it straight for science though?

I don't.


So wait...you're working under the assumption that I'm not "playing it straight" as a villager claim. Which means you think I'm a special? This post implies to me that you know I'm good and think I'm hiding in the village or something like that. If I was a wolf, obviously I would have to lie and "playing it straight" has nothing to do with it.

[vote LJ]


No, she's saying she doesn't think you would play it straight as a villager.

Also, if you are a special, imo you should claim it by the end of the day.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.

I agree with you that doing it optimally would be all of us claiming at the same time, but I don't think that's realistically ever going to happen.
Even if it did, there's no way to know that it wasn't being exploited by quick evils.


There's a 0% chance that all-claiming is always bad. Even if it's bad this game, which I don't think it is, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea on D2 or any other day. I could use the last game as "proof" that all-claiming D1 is good, because it would have prevented us from lynching the priest and the seer D1 and D2.


An evil win is hardly proof that a d1-all-claim is pro-good.
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

Avin wrote:

claim seer


I get that my claim is suspect. But I feel like either hard claiming or retracting at this point is strategically inferior. I'm not opposed to having three seer claims at the moment.

However if the "experiment" really insists I "hard claim" I may update again.


You may do whatever you please. It will be scrutinized of course. But I'm sure you're prepared for that.
Alabaster
I think Lindsey is good from her page 8 argument with gelrod.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I'm not playing for the sake of how I think this should be done. This is yall's experiment.


Why are you not a part of "yall"?

Are you uninterested in the question?


I'm opposed to the idea of all claims. I think this will go badly. But I think some measure of dislike and skepticism participating is good. Plus, now I'll have proof the next time I argue with twomil about why all claiming is bad.

I actually think the right way to do a purely scientific all claim would be to have everyone post their real claim at the same time to ensure that people don't base their claims off of everyone else.

I agree with you that doing it optimally would be all of us claiming at the same time, but I don't think that's realistically ever going to happen.
Even if it did, there's no way to know that it wasn't being exploited by quick evils.


There's a 0% chance that all-claiming is always bad. Even if it's bad this game, which I don't think it is, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea on D2 or any other day. I could use the last game as "proof" that all-claiming D1 is good, because it would have prevented us from lynching the priest and the seer D1 and D2.


An evil win is hardly proof that a d1-all-claim is pro-good.


I agree.
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - seer
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

As of page 8 I'm not liking Androl based on him not posting the same kind of content/strategy stuff as last game.


Yeah I was weak here early, was busy and tired.. I'll posted my thought on page 16, but you may not like those either. I personally feel like I'm just pointing out the obvious.


I strongly dislike the first part of this post, but I kind of like the last part.
Alabaster

ohgrande wrote:

Avin could be a wolf in this game which is why he knows I'm not a wolf.

or

He could be the seer and also know that I'm not a wolf.

or

(most likely)

He's just being Avin and I'm just transparent.


Why would you say this?

He he hasn't said anything about you other than that you're his clear.
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]


How do you get that vote from this post?
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

What does Sorc claim in this set? Probably Seer, so he can try for the mislynch on the seer if he gets a hit on N1. So Jared could be Sorc. [vote gelrod]


Also, in what world does the sorcSeer ever claim a hit on the seer D2 after an all-claim?...
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

lj, gelrod is saying that if he was a werewolf, claiming villager WOULD be playing it straight.

you're saying you don't think he's playing it straight.

wait... now i'm confused.

you think gelrod is a wolf claiming villager, right?


This guy sees the contradiction.


What contradiction?


a good special gelrod not playing it straight would claim villager. he thought that was the gelrod you were voting for.

instead you're voting for a gelrod that is a wolf trying to look like a villager trying to play it straight.

so here's a question. why would gelrod try to get away with playing it straight if it's not in his normal nature?


Isn't level one the point of this game? You're not going to see shenanigans from me this game because I thought this was an experiment as to the nature of an all claim in a niner. But if you want to vote a villager when you have at least two seer claimants, whatever.


What group of people should we be voting into today in your world?
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

I lean more towards believing Rhanddom over ohg, but that's partially because I think Avin thinks I'm wolves with ohg.


This is a horrible read
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

So, if those are all legit claims and people are playing semi straight, Hunter is probably hiding in villager claims along with one wolf. And sorc is in the other claims.

I kind of think that Avin is the Sorcerer that currently thinks that I'm wolves with ohgrande, but I might be wrong there.

I think the wolves are gelrod and one of Rhanddom/ohgrande. Both seem like a decent fit with him. If I'm wrong about gel, Vanders is the villwolf. I think I'm ok with Dake now, and I think Androl is good for some reason. Not sure why.

One thing you've got right for certain there; if I'm a wolf, gelrod is my wolf partner. I see three-quarters serious votes piling up this early, I bus like a mofo.

I was also thinking Sorc!Avin with a belief in Wolf!ohgrande was a possibility. But I still think I like Jared for sorc. I might even prefer to lynch there, since there's no information to be had in lynching an outed wolf. [vote Jared] and let's see what I say he was, if I survive the night.


[vote Rhanddom]

This is by far the most evil post I've seen this game.
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Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 5 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25), Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 2 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - (no claim)
Avin - seer
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

So Avin is claiming seer, and his clear is ohg, but he also voted ohg? Was that a meta clear thing for a seer or a slip up?

[vote Avin]

I'm out for a few hours here shortly, will check back in later this afternoon or evening.

It was clearly a joke.
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

LJ, I'm pretty sure gel is good.

You're also voting with Rhanddom who is likely bad.

Right, so you are his wolf partner. Sorc!Avin must have misread Priest!ohgy's feint.

I'm the real Seer. LJ is my N0. This is over. micdrop.gif


Is this a hard claim?
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Avin, Rhanddom, and a third evil hiding in village pool.

do we lynch into claims today? 2/3 shot of hitting evil I think unless Avin is just doing something weird.

Alternatively lynch into villager pool.


I want to lynch rhanddom today regardless of claims.
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

Hint: two out of three seer claimants are evil. They both want to lynch the third, who is the actual Seer and slow-played it, as he is wont to do. Is something hard about this?


How could you be convinced that at least one of them isn't a good trying something weird?
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.


This is not the impression I was under.

This may or may not affect my current claim. I'd rather not either retract or hard claim now, either way, but is this really what everyone else would say the point of this game is?


My goal for this idea was just to see if a real all-claim (ie something other than everyone claiming wolf) before D2 works for this set.
L Squared

Androl wrote:

Not sure if I am on to anything here, but one comment keeps coming popping back into my head. Try and follow my logic here:

If I am a wolf, and my wolf partner and I do not know which seer claimant is real (assuming here that the wolves are not in the seer pool), would it not be in my best interest to try and persuade the seer to view someone I know is not a wolf to buy a day with a not wolf view for the seer.

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl would be a great view for the seer, just because of his innate mislynchability.


Feel free to view me if you like seer. But I just find this sort of manipulative/misleading.

[vote ljtrigirl]



How is that manipulative/misleading?
L Squared

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


What do you mean?
L Squared
claim villager
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Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

I really hope that the other goods are going to clarify their actual roles by the end of the day. I think the point of this test was to see if an all-claim day 1 benefited good or evil, this really isn't a test to see who can outsmart the rest of the group. If any of the goods are not truthful by the end of the day that sort of destroys the purpose of the test and the results will be questionable. Granted, the evils are going to lie cheat and steal their way into whatever role they are claiming, so the results are already based on the strength of whoever has those roles, but that's my take on this test game, do what you will, my view is that we should be playing this straight and see if good can win in an honest all-claim situation.

My personal opinion thus far is that day 1 all-claims suck ass. This is so fucking confusing, and it's going to get worse for me when people start rescinding their previous claims. I'll deal with it, but I reserve the right to bitch and moan.

So that leaves me with my thoughts at this point in the game. (Ohgrande & Avin, this is where people start to say my posts are evil as I'm trying to hard and it feels fake, feel free to jump on that bandwagon).

Three Possibilities

1. Jared is the seer
2. Rhanddom is the seer
3. Avin is the seer

1. In the Jared possibility, Rhanddom is certainly evil, avin is a question mark, could be evil, could be making a villager play. Dake is clear which leaves us with 2 evils out of myself, Lj, Vander, Gelrod and Avin. In this possibility I am leaning towards Rhanddom being the sorcerer, therefore the wolves are in the villager pool. If we focus our lynches on this pool, we have a 2/5 chance of hitting the correct folks, 3/5 if we include our one mislynch. So 60% not factoring in reads, disassociations, etc..

2. In the Rhanddom possibility, Jared is evil, avin is still a question mark. LJ is clear and the villager pool is myself, Vander, Dake, Gelrod and Avin. Jared could be sorcerer or wolf in this scenario from my vantage point. We have the same potential in the villager pool as in possibility #1, but hitting the two evils may not end the game if jared is a wolf.

3. Not going to bother with this one, I feel it is the least likely.


All of this will probably change five minutes after I post this, but whatever..

Two issues that I forsee.

If we lynch into the villager pool, our uncountered priest is going to die tonight. We are left with two conflicting seer claims tomorrow, which is fine if we feel we know the correct seer, which I think we do.

If we lynch into the villager pool and we hit the hunter or any of the evils, a hunter claim is going to pop out. Do we want to wait and resolve this during crunch time or should we just get those claims out in the open now with plenty of time left? Of course, by saying this it may not happen now, evil may stick to their guns and just claim villager. So perhaps this doesn't need to be resolved, but I'm not going to erase it so that it gets read. Ponder it perhaps?

I need to think on this more, and I'm sure shit is going to change by morning anyhow.


I agree with the first paragraph.


If we lynch into the seer pool we obviously risk lynching a person whose lynch is much worse than lynching a villager.
But also, the longer we delay lynching into the villager pool, the more opportunity we give the hunter to hide.

I think it's generally better to lynch into the villager pool today, but I feel more strongly about Rhanddom being evil than anyone in the villager pool.
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

Avin wrote:

claim seer


I get that my claim is suspect. But I feel like either hard claiming or retracting at this point is strategically inferior. I'm not opposed to having three seer claims at the moment.

However if the "experiment" really insists I "hard claim" I may update again.


It's not really strategically inferior from any perspective except yours IMO, please hard claim today.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Well, I think we're in a good situation, in a large part because of this all claim.
L Squared
Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.

I don't really believe that Rhanddom is the Seer though.

I think Jared is not the real seer but is still good.

So, I don't really believe any of the seer claims.
Alabaster
So, I think Jared is real, I think ohgrande is real, I think Dake is good, I think Lindsey is good.

My pick for post-game posterity is Rhanddom/Avin/Androl.
L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

So, I think Jared is real, I think ohgrande is real, I think Dake is good, I think Lindsey is good.

My pick for post-game posterity is Rhanddom/Avin/Androl.


Yeah... Mine might have been a bit premature.

I don't know that I agree on Androl. But I also over read him as good, I think.
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.

I don't really believe that Rhanddom is the Seer though.

I think Jared is not the real seer but is still good.

So, I don't really believe any of the seer claims.


I have a thought about this but I don't really think it's helpful to discuss right now.
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

So, I think Jared is real, I think ohgrande is real, I think Dake is good, I think Lindsey is good.

My pick for post-game posterity is Rhanddom/Avin/Androl.


Yeah... Mine might have been a bit premature.

I don't know that I agree on Androl. But I also over read him as good, I think.


My read on Androl is not strong, and I'm not confident in it because of what happened last game.
I did like the thing where he called out his own analysis as bad.
Alabaster
Lindsey, what's your read on me?
L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

Lindsey, what's your read on me?


Mostly null. You've got some POE plusses, but nothing you've said has given me a real read either way.
Alabaster
So I've been thinking about this.

If we lynch into the villager pool today, it forces wolves to either help solve the seer battle for us, giving us at least the same result the next day as we would by lynching a seer today (if not a better one) or kill ohgrande and keep all seer claimants alive for at least another day.
I still think rhanddom is very evil, but if we want to lynch a seer today, there's no reason to not just delay the decision until tomorrow.
Alabaster
[vote Androl]
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Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29)
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Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
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Dake - (no claim)
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl wrote:

Not sure if I am on to anything here, but one comment keeps coming popping back into my head. Try and follow my logic here:

If I am a wolf, and my wolf partner and I do not know which seer claimant is real (assuming here that the wolves are not in the seer pool), would it not be in my best interest to try and persuade the seer to view someone I know is not a wolf to buy a day with a not wolf view for the seer.

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl would be a great view for the seer, just because of his innate mislynchability.


Feel free to view me if you like seer. But I just find this sort of manipulative/misleading.

[vote ljtrigirl]



How is that manipulative/misleading?


how is it NOT manipulative? like, i don't necessarily think it's evil to suggest views, but you're literally manipulating. misleading? i don't really see how it's misleading.

well, from androl's perspective, you're "misleading" the seer into viewing a non-wolf.

anyway, shark-fever, sorry for answering for him. but the answer to this question is kind of obvious.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Well, I think we're in a good situation, in a large part because of this all claim.


lol. you're a good advocate for your idea.
Dake Jimson
if i had to guess right now. wolves are androl and vand and sorcerer is rhanddom.

but rhanddom is my preferred lynch today. he's the only one i'm actually confident is evil.

if he'd like to explain what his plan was with claiming priest, maybe i could reconsider this. right now, it just seems like he thought better of his priest claim and changed it when he realized jared was becoming universally believed.
Avin Fernando

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Just caught up.

Why is everyone hard claiming so quickly? And hard claiming villager?

Seriously we need like 3 other seer or priest claims.

I was not under the impression that this "experiment" involved being forced into hard claims so quickly and besides that just seems boring.


I believe the point was to have everyone at least mostly truthfully claim. I might be wrong about that, but that was my understand of the point of this run.


This is not the impression I was under.

This may or may not affect my current claim. I'd rather not either retract or hard claim now, either way, but is this really what everyone else would say the point of this game is?


My goal for this idea was just to see if a real all-claim (ie something other than everyone claiming wolf) before D2 works for this set.


That's what I thought the goal was.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.


Which thing?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Well, I think we're in a good situation, in a large part because of this all claim.


lol. you're a good advocate for your idea.


I feel like we're in a much better spot than any of the other 9ers I've been in recently.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

if i had to guess right now. wolves are androl and vand and sorcerer is rhanddom.

but rhanddom is my preferred lynch today. he's the only one i'm actually confident is evil.

if he'd like to explain what his plan was with claiming priest, maybe i could reconsider this. right now, it just seems like he thought better of his priest claim and changed it when he realized jared was becoming universally believed.


What are your thoughts on lynching into or out of the villager pool today?
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Well, I think we're in a good situation, in a large part because of this all claim.


lol. you're a good advocate for your idea.


I feel like we're in a much better spot than any of the other 9ers I've been in recently.


maybe. hard to tell today. we'll see how it goes. i'm enjoying myself, so the un-fun factor that was discussed as a top reason to not do this doesn't seem relevant. so that's cool.
Alabaster
Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

if i had to guess right now. wolves are androl and vand and sorcerer is rhanddom.

but rhanddom is my preferred lynch today. he's the only one i'm actually confident is evil.

if he'd like to explain what his plan was with claiming priest, maybe i could reconsider this. right now, it just seems like he thought better of his priest claim and changed it when he realized jared was becoming universally believed.


What are your thoughts on lynching into or out of the villager pool today?


i think i'm echoing your thoughts on that. it's probably smarter to go into the villager pool but my confidence level on rhand/jared is far higher than any distinction in the villager pool at the moment.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


but why ignore how rhand's been acting? that's more relevant than anything, if you ask me.
Dake Jimson
in my mind, rhand has about a 10% chance of being good.

meanwhile, i have you and androl as the evilest in the vill pool, but the differentiation in there is not nearly as strong.
Dake Jimson
oh yeah.

claim villager
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ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
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gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer
Dake Jimson
help me to not see you as evil, rhand, if you aren't.
Dake Jimson
avin, are you sticking with ohgy as your N0?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

if i had to guess right now. wolves are androl and vand and sorcerer is rhanddom.

but rhanddom is my preferred lynch today. he's the only one i'm actually confident is evil.

if he'd like to explain what his plan was with claiming priest, maybe i could reconsider this. right now, it just seems like he thought better of his priest claim and changed it when he realized jared was becoming universally believed.


What are your thoughts on lynching into or out of the villager pool today?


i think i'm echoing your thoughts on that. it's probably smarter to go into the villager pool but my confidence level on rhand/jared is far higher than any distinction in the villager pool at the moment.


Yeah, this is the thing.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


but why ignore how rhand's been acting? that's more relevant than anything, if you ask me.


Because it's not ignoring the decision, it's delaying it.
Alabaster
Like, we have a mislynch to spare.

So we can afford to change the order of lynches.
If not lynching the seers today means that the seers aren't going to get solved, I'd rather lynch into them when we have more info from them.
If the seers are going to get solved tonight if we don't lynch into them, it's clearly better to not lynch them today.
Dake Jimson
i just want to lynch the guy i'm most confident is evil, vand.

there's a higher chance we'll get it wrong in the vill pool.

if rhand were to maybe do a better job of sounding good, i'd be more compelled to go into the vill pool.

so far, he has failed miserably at that. sorry, rhand, but your priest claim made no sense. fucking around for the sake of fucking around doesn't make sense.

if you had a plan, lay it out.
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gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29)
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Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
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gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Like, we have a mislynch to spare.

So we can afford to change the order of lynches.
If not lynching the seers today means that the seers aren't going to get solved, I'd rather lynch into them when we have more info from them.
If the seers are going to get solved tonight if we don't lynch into them, it's clearly better to not lynch them today.

I still don't understand this theory. It's the crux of why I think all claim d1 is still bad.

Priest gets n1 nk'ed most games if claimed, so the village never gets confirmation of who is seer. So sure, keep (the three of us?) around tomorrow, but you still don't know who to trust



In my history of playing these sets, in 15-20 games, I don't remember a single time in any game where there's been a living priest who's provided confirmation about who the seer was, except for one game, where I was a wolf and helped get that priest lynched on D3 with no counterclaimants.

I also remember a recent game when, with only one person dead who could possibly have been priest, we had an uncountered priest on D2 giving us information about the seer situation, and that didn't work out too well.

So in practice, this isn't too relevant.



And if for some reason the wolves decide to kill me if we lynch Rhanddom, awesome. You'll know rhanddom was evil because the priest will be alive. So if Avin retracts (which btw, wtf is going on with avin' claim?) then you know my clear is real.

I still haven't taken the time to flesh out all the permutations, but gut check on "all claim" plays out like this:

If there are multiple seer claims and a single priest claim, lynch a seer claim. Evil response: priest gets NKed. You never know who is the real seer. Now do you lynch the other claim ensuring you've got an evil at the cost of a mislynch?



This is why I'm leaning towards it being a bad idea to lynch a seer today.



If there are multiple priest claims and a single seer claim, lynch a villager. Evil response: seer gets NKed. Now what? Lynch into claims? Based on what?

If there are multiple priest and seer claims, then what do you do? You have two dichotomies but one is likely a sorc and you don't have enough mislynches to solve both dichotomies. All while the other evil is hiding in the villager pool.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't see your point, Vanders. I support lynching into the claim because I know Rhanddom is evil, but nobody else has the advantage of knowing I'm a seer. If I get NKed tonight (or if Rhanddom gets NKed if somehow I get lynched), I'd be shocked. Why on earth would the wolves ever allow the village to learn who the seer is?


If ohgrande gets NKed tonight then we can just lynch into the seers tomorrow and it's not worse.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

i just want to lynch the guy i'm most confident is evil, vand.

there's a higher chance we'll get it wrong in the vill pool.

if rhand were to maybe do a better job of sounding good, i'd be more compelled to go into the vill pool.

so far, he has failed miserably at that. sorry, rhand, but your priest claim made no sense. fucking around for the sake of fucking around doesn't make sense.

if you had a plan, lay it out.


I'm with you on Rhanddom's claim, but I think it's a bad idea to lynch him today.
Avin Fernando

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Like, we have a mislynch to spare.

So we can afford to change the order of lynches.
If not lynching the seers today means that the seers aren't going to get solved, I'd rather lynch into them when we have more info from them.
If the seers are going to get solved tonight if we don't lynch into them, it's clearly better to not lynch them today.

I still don't understand this theory. It's the crux of why I think all claim d1 is still bad.

Priest gets n1 nk'ed most games if claimed, so the village never gets confirmation of who is seer. So sure, keep (the three of us?) around tomorrow, but you still don't know who to trust

And if for some reason the wolves decide to kill me if we lynch Rhanddom, awesome. You'll know rhanddom was evil because the priest will be alive. So if Avin retracts (which btw, wtf is going on with avin' claim?) then you know my clear is real.

I still haven't taken the time to flesh out all the permutations, but gut check on "all claim" plays out like this:

If there are multiple seer claims and a single priest claim, lynch a seer claim. Evil response: priest gets NKed. You never know who is the real seer. Now do you lynch the other claim ensuring you've got an evil at the cost of a mislynch?

If there are multiple priest claims and a single seer claim, lynch a villager. Evil response: seer gets NKed. Now what? Lynch into claims? Based on what?

If there are multiple priest and seer claims, then what do you do? You have two dichotomies but one is likely a sorc and you don't have enough mislynches to solve both dichotomies. All while the other evil is hiding in the villager pool.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't see your point, Vanders. I support lynching into the claim because I know Rhanddom is evil, but nobody else has the advantage of knowing I'm a seer. If I get NKed tonight (or if Rhanddom gets NKed if somehow I get lynched), I'd be shocked. Why on earth would the wolves ever allow the village to learn who the seer is?


The bolded above is why I think Rhanddom is the most likely sorc.

Sorc rhanddom backs into a seer claim knowing that the wolves will want to kill the priest and this way the priest is uncontested. It's completely straight sorc play.
Avin Fernando

Avin wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Like, we have a mislynch to spare.

So we can afford to change the order of lynches.
If not lynching the seers today means that the seers aren't going to get solved, I'd rather lynch into them when we have more info from them.
If the seers are going to get solved tonight if we don't lynch into them, it's clearly better to not lynch them today.

I still don't understand this theory. It's the crux of why I think all claim d1 is still bad.

Priest gets n1 nk'ed most games if claimed, so the village never gets confirmation of who is seer. So sure, keep (the three of us?) around tomorrow, but you still don't know who to trust

And if for some reason the wolves decide to kill me if we lynch Rhanddom, awesome. You'll know rhanddom was evil because the priest will be alive. So if Avin retracts (which btw, wtf is going on with avin' claim?) then you know my clear is real.

I still haven't taken the time to flesh out all the permutations, but gut check on "all claim" plays out like this:

If there are multiple seer claims and a single priest claim, lynch a seer claim. Evil response: priest gets NKed. You never know who is the real seer. Now do you lynch the other claim ensuring you've got an evil at the cost of a mislynch?

If there are multiple priest claims and a single seer claim, lynch a villager. Evil response: seer gets NKed. Now what? Lynch into claims? Based on what?

If there are multiple priest and seer claims, then what do you do? You have two dichotomies but one is likely a sorc and you don't have enough mislynches to solve both dichotomies. All while the other evil is hiding in the villager pool.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't see your point, Vanders. I support lynching into the claim because I know Rhanddom is evil, but nobody else has the advantage of knowing I'm a seer. If I get NKed tonight (or if Rhanddom gets NKed if somehow I get lynched), I'd be shocked. Why on earth would the wolves ever allow the village to learn who the seer is?


The bolded above is why I think Rhanddom is the most likely sorc.

Sorc rhanddom backs into a seer claim knowing that the wolves will want to kill the priest and this way the priest is uncontested. It's completely straight sorc play.


And I still think most players made a mistake in not claiming more good special roles to provide cover for the seer and priest. But I'll accept that some people were attempting to play this more straight with the D1 claims than I thought.
Avin Fernando
While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Like three miners ago we lynched the sorc d1 and priest!dake confirmed it. I was seer, and smug hadn't claimed seer so it's a bit different. Still though, I just don't see priest living past n1 if there's a seer claim war.


Ok, cool.
But that isn't a common occurrence.
I believe that that situation happens less frequently than lynching an AFK special, or not lynching an AFK evil because we're worried about them being a special.
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl wrote:

Not sure if I am on to anything here, but one comment keeps coming popping back into my head. Try and follow my logic here:

If I am a wolf, and my wolf partner and I do not know which seer claimant is real (assuming here that the wolves are not in the seer pool), would it not be in my best interest to try and persuade the seer to view someone I know is not a wolf to buy a day with a not wolf view for the seer.

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl would be a great view for the seer, just because of his innate mislynchability.


Feel free to view me if you like seer. But I just find this sort of manipulative/misleading.

[vote ljtrigirl]



How is that manipulative/misleading?


how is it NOT manipulative? like, i don't necessarily think it's evil to suggest views, but you're literally manipulating. misleading? i don't really see how it's misleading.

well, from androl's perspective, you're "misleading" the seer into viewing a non-wolf.

anyway, shark-fever, sorry for answering for him. but the answer to this question is kind of obvious.


I'm not manipulating. I'm suggesting. Manipulation implies some degree of trying to get you to do something against your best interests. I think Androl is a great view regardless of whether or not he's a wolf. If he isn't, great we saved a mislynch. If he is, I'll feel a lot better about lynching him.
L Squared

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.


Which thing?


You asked me why I thought you were not making a legitimate seer claim. It felt like you either thought I was wolves with ohg or were eventually going to propose an LJ/ohg wolf team.
Avin Fernando

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.
The Original Thumb #50
I would lynch Vanderscamp from the villager pool if we go there.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

in my mind, rhand has about a 10% chance of being good.

meanwhile, i have you and androl as the evilest in the vill pool, but the differentiation in there is not nearly as strong.


That's where I'm at. Lol.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.


Which thing?


You asked me why I thought you were not making a legitimate seer claim. It felt like you either thought I was wolves with ohg or were eventually going to propose an LJ/ohg wolf team.


Oh. Neither scenario is really remotely plausible though so I don't know where you're getting that from at all.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

i just want to lynch the guy i'm most confident is evil, vand.

there's a higher chance we'll get it wrong in the vill pool.

if rhand were to maybe do a better job of sounding good, i'd be more compelled to go into the vill pool.

so far, he has failed miserably at that. sorry, rhand, but your priest claim made no sense. fucking around for the sake of fucking around doesn't make sense.

if you had a plan, lay it out.


Agreed on basically all of this.

Especially the part about Rhand walking through his thought process, which I asked for yesterday.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Androl wrote:

I really hope that the other goods are going to clarify their actual roles by the end of the day. I think the point of this test was to see if an all-claim day 1 benefited good or evil, this really isn't a test to see who can outsmart the rest of the group. If any of the goods are not truthful by the end of the day that sort of destroys the purpose of the test and the results will be questionable. Granted, the evils are going to lie cheat and steal their way into whatever role they are claiming, so the results are already based on the strength of whoever has those roles, but that's my take on this test game, do what you will, my view is that we should be playing this straight and see if good can win in an honest all-claim situation.

My personal opinion thus far is that day 1 all-claims suck ass. This is so fucking confusing, and it's going to get worse for me when people start rescinding their previous claims. I'll deal with it, but I reserve the right to bitch and moan.

So that leaves me with my thoughts at this point in the game. (Ohgrande & Avin, this is where people start to say my posts are evil as I'm trying to hard and it feels fake, feel free to jump on that bandwagon).

Three Possibilities

1. Jared is the seer
2. Rhanddom is the seer
3. Avin is the seer

1. In the Jared possibility, Rhanddom is certainly evil, avin is a question mark, could be evil, could be making a villager play. Dake is clear which leaves us with 2 evils out of myself, Lj, Vander, Gelrod and Avin. In this possibility I am leaning towards Rhanddom being the sorcerer, therefore the wolves are in the villager pool. If we focus our lynches on this pool, we have a 2/5 chance of hitting the correct folks, 3/5 if we include our one mislynch. So 60% not factoring in reads, disassociations, etc..

2. In the Rhanddom possibility, Jared is evil, avin is still a question mark. LJ is clear and the villager pool is myself, Vander, Dake, Gelrod and Avin. Jared could be sorcerer or wolf in this scenario from my vantage point. We have the same potential in the villager pool as in possibility #1, but hitting the two evils may not end the game if jared is a wolf.

3. Not going to bother with this one, I feel it is the least likely.


All of this will probably change five minutes after I post this, but whatever..

Two issues that I forsee.

If we lynch into the villager pool, our uncountered priest is going to die tonight. We are left with two conflicting seer claims tomorrow, which is fine if we feel we know the correct seer, which I think we do.

If we lynch into the villager pool and we hit the hunter or any of the evils, a hunter claim is going to pop out. Do we want to wait and resolve this during crunch time or should we just get those claims out in the open now with plenty of time left? Of course, by saying this it may not happen now, evil may stick to their guns and just claim villager. So perhaps this doesn't need to be resolved, but I'm not going to erase it so that it gets read. Ponder it perhaps?

I need to think on this more, and I'm sure shit is going to change by morning anyhow.


I agree with the first paragraph.


If we lynch into the seer pool we obviously risk lynching a person whose lynch is much worse than lynching a villager.
But also, the longer we delay lynching into the villager pool, the more opportunity we give the hunter to hide.

I think it's generally better to lynch into the villager pool today, but I feel more strongly about Rhanddom being evil than anyone in the villager pool.


You realize by all claiming we won't have any seer views to trust, right? The nk will either be seer or priest. If it's a seer, no more views. If it's a priest, we don't know for sure if we lynched the right person. All claiming takes any view strategy away. We basically have to lynch into the people that are paired off and then guess out of the villagers.


Like I said, I've never been in a situation where a priest has given us confirmation of the seers. The only times I have, it was either a lie, or the priest wasn't trustworthy enough to be believed.
This is why I think all-claiming is good.


But as for what I'm talking about here, we either give wolves a chance to solve the seer stuff for us, making it better to delay lynching the seers, or they don't, and we can just lynch into the seers tomorrow with extra information from them.
L Squared

Avin wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.


Why are you not keen about me?
L Squared

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Yeah, idk. I don't like that Avin didn't say anything at all about the ohg thing I brought up.


Which thing?


You asked me why I thought you were not making a legitimate seer claim. It felt like you either thought I was wolves with ohg or were eventually going to propose an LJ/ohg wolf team.


Oh. Neither scenario is really remotely plausible though so I don't know where you're getting that from at all.


I mean, it's not at this point given claims. But it felt like you were feeling that out at the time.
The Original Thumb #50
I believe that good came to the conclusion to play it straight quicker than evil did here.

Now I think that evil is trying to muddy the waters and distract us from following course.

I would lynch Avin and Rhandom first and then likely go to Vanderscamp.

Those 3 are the ones that are still trying to "muddy the waters" in my opinion.
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.


I had the same reaction re: the Androl thing.

You're still maintaining your seer claim?
Also, what's your read of gelrod independent of Jared?
Alabaster

ohgrande wrote:

I would lynch Vanderscamp from the villager pool if we go there.

thumbsdown
L Squared
I guess what I didn't like is me saying "I think Avin might think ohg and I were wolves together" like three times and you never saying anything about it.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.


Why are you not keen about me?


Well this weird thing about you and ohgrande; I don't understand why you would think that at all? And you voted me for my less solid claim yet didn't seem to suggest that there could be anything else going on.
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.


don't blame that on yourself.
L Squared
I would like a straight claim from Avin.

I think in a game where everyone else is hard claiming, not doing so feels more like trying to fit your claim into the game than being truthful.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

I guess what I didn't like is me saying "I think Avin might think ohg and I were wolves together" like three times and you never saying anything about it.


Because I don't get where you're coming from or what sort of crazy world that could exist in so I guess I just didn't think it worth a response even though it did affect my opinion of you here.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

I guess what I didn't like is me saying "I think Avin might think ohg and I were wolves together" like three times and you never saying anything about it.


it felt to me like you plucked that out of the air for no w reason.

do you want to elaborate on where it comes from?

edit: cross out.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

So I've been thinking about this.

If we lynch into the villager pool today, it forces wolves to either help solve the seer battle for us, giving us at least the same result the next day as we would by lynching a seer today (if not a better one) or kill ohgrande and keep all seer claimants alive for at least another day.
I still think rhanddom is very evil, but if we want to lynch a seer today, there's no reason to not just delay the decision until tomorrow.


Decent argument, except they can just kill the priest instead and it eliminates any chance of accurate seer views. I'm pretty sure Jared is good, but if heist and the priest dies we're boned.


If the priest dies N1 with us lynching into the villagers, it eliminates any chance of "confirmed" seer views anyway.
But we have more chance of getting accurate-if-not-100%-confirmed seer views if we don't lynch into the seers, and we can figure it out by actually reading the game.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...


vand, it's not objectively better.
Alabaster

ohgrande wrote:

...Vanderscamp.

...still trying to "muddy the waters" in my opinion.


Dake Jimson
there is rarely a such thing as "objectively better"

if we get it wrong in the vill pool, it wasn't better, it was worse.

we're going to get it right by lynching rhand.
L Squared

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Avin wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Avin wrote:

While I think Rhanddom is a likely sorc, I would be open to Vander's suggestion of lynching from the villager pool today.


What are your reads on the villager pool?


The most suspicious thing I saw was Androl saying something immediately preceded by telling me that I would find it suspicious, which actually made me feel better about it.

I'm liking your posts but more because I agree with you and less because I think you're good.

I'm not keen on lj but after the last game where I dropped a vote on her D1 and then got nightkilled before I could clarify that I just didn't have a solid good feel for her like I have in the past, I'm going to be a bit more cautious now.

I'm looking at Jared to get a feel for gelrod, but since Jared and I are countering each other at the moment I'm going to pass on that.

Dake is Dake.


Why are you not keen about me?


Well this weird thing about you and ohgrande; I don't understand why you would think that at all? And you voted me for my less solid claim yet didn't seem to suggest that there could be anything else going on.


Your only engagement with me in the beginning of the game was asking me why I didn't believe your seer claim. Generally, if I'm asking that kind of question, it's because I think that the people involved might be wolves together. But you never followed up after that question, making me think that either you thought ohg and I were your wolves, were asking questions for the sake of asking questions, or were eventually going to propose an LJ/ohg wolf team but realized it wouldn't fly with the claims landscape.

Then, you didn't bring it up at all, until I said that it weirded me out that you never mentioned it. At which point you said that you thought I might be evil for it. That does not add up to Good!Avin trying to evaluate me.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...


vand, it's not objectively better.


Yes it is!!

Because there's no benefit to lynching Rhanddom today, and hunting in the villager pool tomorrow, than doing it in reverse.
Avin Fernando

ljtrigirl wrote:

I would like a straight claim from Avin.

I think in a game where everyone else is hard claiming, not doing so feels more like trying to fit your claim into the game than being truthful.


My clear is actually Dake. Which is useful information if we are lynching from the villagers certainly but I was hoping to wait until longer; initially I thought we would all do fake claims to start with, and then when I came back yesterday to see a single priest claim and three seers I thought it might work for me to keep the more dubious view since it was clear that I was neither being believed (and therefore likely a low priority nightkill) nor in danger of being lynched.

Yes, ohgrande was a joke based on his opening werewolf claim.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

there is rarely a such thing as "objectively better"

if we get it wrong in the vill pool, it wasn't better, it was worse.

we're going to get it right by lynching rhand.


No, because if we get it wrong in the villager pool today, we still have the same chance of getting it wrong in the villager pool tomorrow.
But I would rather either get more views from the seers, or force wolves to solve it for us.
Avin Fernando
claim seer n0 Dake
Dake Jimson
i'm happy to carry on as if jared is the real seer but leave avin be.

i'm more than happy to lynch rhand today. if people want to go into the vill pool, that's fine, i won't let my vote become meaningless, i'll throw my hat in there.

i'll likely go for vand.
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I would like a straight claim from Avin.

I think in a game where everyone else is hard claiming, not doing so feels more like trying to fit your claim into the game than being truthful.


My clear is actually Dake. Which is useful information if we are lynching from the villagers certainly but I was hoping to wait until longer; initially I thought we would all do fake claims to start with, and then when I came back yesterday to see a single priest claim and three seers I thought it might work for me to keep the more dubious view since it was clear that I was neither being believed (and therefore likely a low priority nightkill) nor in danger of being lynched.

Yes, ohgrande was a joke based on his opening werewolf claim.


Are you hard claiming this?
Alabaster
Lynch is in 3 1/2 hours, right?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25), Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Lynch is in 3 1/2 hours, right?


yes.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

i'm happy to carry on as if jared is the real seer but leave avin be.

i'm more than happy to lynch rhand today. if people want to go into the vill pool, that's fine, i won't let my vote become meaningless, i'll throw my hat in there.

i'll likely go for vand.


My villager preference is gel -> Vand(?). I would lynch either of Rhand or Avin as well.

How are you feeling about gel?
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'm happy to carry on as if jared is the real seer but leave avin be.

i'm more than happy to lynch rhand today. if people want to go into the vill pool, that's fine, i won't let my vote become meaningless, i'll throw my hat in there.

i'll likely go for vand.


My villager preference is gel -> Vand(?). I would lynch either of Rhand or Avin as well.

How are you feeling about gel?


very unsure about gel. i wish he'd be more up in it.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

So what the actual fuck? Sorc!Rhand counters wolf!avin or sorc!avin counters wolf!rhand?

Vanders, why the hell do you not want to lynch into seer claims today? 2/3 claims are evil apparently.


you should forget about avin. it's all good. he's claiming the same clear as you. nothing to worry about there.
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

I don't get why people are pushing Gerald.

I'm not playing this at all like normal me, but nobody's jumping on my shit. This is a science game. A fun science game but science nonetheless.


Yeah, but you're still trying to figure stuff out and contribute. It feels like his contributions so far have been claiming villager and then getting mad at me for saying he's evil.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

I don't get why people are pushing Gerald.

I'm not playing this at all like normal me, but nobody's jumping on my shit. This is a science game. A fun science game but science nonetheless.


people are pushing gerald because he's being somewhat abnormal. i'm not ready yet to push there because i have bigger fish to fry, but i understand a push there.
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...


It's literally not.


it might be, but vand's insistence that it's an objective truth drives me bananas.
Dake Jimson
what i think is that vand knows for sure we're going to get the seer battle right so he wants us to go with the villager pool which we're much more likely to get wrong.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...


It's literally not.


it might be, but vand's insistence that it's an objective truth drives me bananas.


Anytime Vanders insists that something is an objective truth, it drives me bananas. I've gotten used to it.
Dake Jimson
an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

So what the actual fuck? Sorc!Rhand counters wolf!avin or sorc!avin counters wolf!rhand?

Vanders, why the hell do you not want to lynch into seer claims today? 2/3 claims are evil apparently.


From the way Avin was talking, I thought he was going to rescind his claim, and it was just you vs Jared, if he's actually hardclaiming then it's probably right to lynch rhanddom and see what happens.

But the reason I didn't want to lynch into the seer claims was because I don't think there's any reason to delay the decision tomorrow.

If wolves solve the seer claim in the night, then it's just clearly better to avoid lynching there today and risk getting it wrong.
If not, then delaying it until tomorrow means that we're getting one more view from each seer claimant, which gives us more information. Additionally, it's not must-lynch today, so we can't lose by lynching somewhere "safe".
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Because regardless of how Rhanddom's been acting, I feel like it's better to not lynch into the seers today.


You're evil.


Nope, keep trying.

Do you not understand why lynching outside the seers is better?...


It's literally not.


Why not?

The argument that we can't get confirmation about the seers is wrong, because it doesn't happen either way.
Dake Jimson
gelrod, can you compile a list of reads?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

what i think is that vand knows for sure we're going to get the seer battle right so he wants us to go with the villager pool which we're much more likely to get wrong.

shake
Avin Fernando

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


I think Vander's point is that if the village wants to lynch two people, one being a seer and the other being a villager, then lynching the villager first and the seer second is "objectively" better.

Which I get. Rhanddom is evil, sure, and I'm happy to lynch him because I know he is, but I get his argument that with one mislynch available, we might as well lynch a villager to see what the wolves do. I just think the wolves are going to kill ohgrande no matter what so it again doesn't matter to me what order we go in.
Dake Jimson
i pretty much know where most people stand.

come to think of it, i don't really know where vand stands on the vill pool.

vand, can you also compile a list of reads?
L Squared
Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


Yes, but unfortunately, we don't have perfect information about who the evils are before lynching people.


If we're in a game where there's a dead seer and no useful aux evil abilities, you're a confirmed non-wolf, and I'm a question mark villager claimant, it's still objectively awful to lynch you over me, even if you're the sorc and I'm good.
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


I think Vander's point is that if the village wants to lynch two people, one being a seer and the other being a villager, then lynching the villager first and the seer second is "objectively" better.

Which I get. Rhanddom is evil, sure, and I'm happy to lynch him because I know he is, but I get his argument that with one mislynch available, we might as well lynch a villager to see what the wolves do. I just think the wolves are going to kill ohgrande no matter what so it again doesn't matter to me what order we go in.


i don't want to not lynch rhando and then for him to get his legs tomorrow. he's no slouch, he can gain some steam. i'd rather cut his legs off and hang him today. there's fewer people tomorrow and potentially a higher evil/good ratio, so more of a chance that the village as a whole gets "duped" by rhando.
Dake Jimson
we're all in agreement that rhando is evil. we can't all be that wrong. get him.
Alabaster
Also, I'm not saying we should never lynch the seers, I'm saying we should lynch them tomorrow.
I read rhanddom as much more evil than Jared, but delaying it, we at least get the chance to let the false seer make themselves more obviously evil (which is good regardless of whether it's rhanddom or Jared), get us more views, and give ourselves the opportunity to make wolves solve it for us.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


Yes, but unfortunately, we don't have perfect information about who the evils are before lynching people.


If we're in a game where there's a dead seer and no useful aux evil abilities, you're a confirmed non-wolf, and I'm a question mark villager claimant, it's still objectively awful to lynch you over me, even if you're the sorc and I'm good.


i don't even know what point you're making.

reads matter.
Alabaster

Avin wrote:

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


I think Vander's point is that if the village wants to lynch two people, one being a seer and the other being a villager, then lynching the villager first and the seer second is "objectively" better.

Which I get. Rhanddom is evil, sure, and I'm happy to lynch him because I know he is, but I get his argument that with one mislynch available, we might as well lynch a villager to see what the wolves do. I just think the wolves are going to kill ohgrande no matter what so it again doesn't matter to me what order we go in.


thumbsup
Dake Jimson
get that fake thumb out of here. avin doesn't have a golden meeple. give him a real one.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


can you let her sow doubt? it's a good thing.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


most people here are playing it straight. avin may be evil and literally ALL goods are playing it straight, so i don't know why you keep saying this.

and i'd like to know why you're sure gelrod is good. has he said enough for you to get that read?
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


Like, I get what you're doing. But I just want that on the record.

Why do you think gel is good?
The Original Thumb #50

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.


You're overthinking it.
Dake Jimson
hi, vand. what are your reads in the vill pool?
Dake Jimson
i'm going to guess you think it's androl/gel.
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


Like, I get what you're doing. But I just want that on the record.

Why do you think gel is good?

His mindset. He's sad because he's a villager in a game playing it straight. He's annoyed because he's playing so level 1 that you don't believe him.


Umm. He tried to push me as evil for it. He's not annoyed that I don't believe him. He's annoyed that I caught him.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

i pretty much know where most people stand.

come to think of it, i don't really know where vand stands on the vill pool.

vand, can you also compile a list of reads?


I believe ohgrande, I believe Jared by PoE of not believing either of the other seer claimants. I think rhanddom's claim is very suspicious because the progression of his claim didn't make sense, and one of his posts that I commented on was like evilRhanddom101, the kind of convoluted logic that he was using last game to explain why he thought both Androl and Royal were evil.

Avin is claiming the same clear as Jared, so that's fine. I don't know how to evaluate Avin's claim stuff today so I'm just going to ignore it regarding reads. I had him as leaning bad for his lack of hunting, but I really liked the thing he said about Androl's post, because I had the exact same opinion of it.

I think Lindsey is good from the way she was arguing with gelrod on what I think was page 8, because she felt genuine. I thought the gelrod's accusation was pretty bad, and I also agreed with Lindsey about her read that gelrodVillager is less likely to play it straight.

Androl I don't like because his stuff at the start of the game is pretty much the opposite of what he was doing last game, where he posted a whole bunch of strategy stuff. I feel like in this game there was a lot of strategy to be discussed D1, but he just made jokes about being a villager and has been quieter. I did like the thing he said where he admitted that his analysis was bad, and I'm not sold on this read because of how wrong I was on him last game, but he's my top evil from the villager pool.

Gelrod is fairly null, I didn't like his interactions with Lindsey as much, I'm giving him points for Jared townreading him early, but I also don't see what he did to get it.
Him calling me evil and arguing with me about strategy is what he does pretty much every game.


You're a clear, you're probably legit and on the level.
Also, I was reading you as good before that because of your initial aggression at Lindsey.
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.


If the seer is in the villager pool they should just claim.
Alabaster

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.


If the seer is in the villager pool they should just claim.


Actually, they should have claimed like 20 hours ago.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


Yes, but unfortunately, we don't have perfect information about who the evils are before lynching people.


If we're in a game where there's a dead seer and no useful aux evil abilities, you're a confirmed non-wolf, and I'm a question mark villager claimant, it's still objectively awful to lynch you over me, even if you're the sorc and I'm good.


i don't even know what point you're making.

reads matter.


I'm saying that "just lynch the evil" isn't helpful.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

an evil lynch is objectively better than a mislynch. there's an objective truth for you, vand.


Yes, but unfortunately, we don't have perfect information about who the evils are before lynching people.


If we're in a game where there's a dead seer and no useful aux evil abilities, you're a confirmed non-wolf, and I'm a question mark villager claimant, it's still objectively awful to lynch you over me, even if you're the sorc and I'm good.


i don't even know what point you're making.

reads matter.


I'm saying that "just lynch the evil" isn't helpful.


well i disagree.
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


How are you that sure?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

hi, vand. what are your reads in the vill pool?


Was compiling.

My order is
Dake
Lindsey
gelrod
Androl
Alabaster

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

hi, vand. what are your reads in the vill pool?


Was compiling.

My order is
Dake
Lindsey
gelrod
Androl


If Avin counts he'd be around the same place as gelrod.
Dake Jimson
if we were to go into the villager pool today, based on people's reads, i expect it would be between androl and vand.

i'd be okay with this.

but still. i just want to lynch rhand.
Dake Jimson

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


How are you that sure?

Because I know Gerald? I don't understand why that's strange; I've gotten his alignment from less posts before.

For example, he's probably approaching "fuck it" territory where he's going to nightfall somebody.


why would he do that? what is making him approach "fuck it" territory?
Alabaster

JaredW25 wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Here's where I'm at. I don't believe any of the Seer claims.

Rhand has yet to provide rationale for why he did what he did.
Avin's timing makes me think he's either evil trying to look like he's covering for Jared or good trying to cover for Jared.
Jared is overselling it on the "OMG WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?"

That's part of my reluctance to lynch into the villager pool. I think that's where the seer actually is.

I'm not overselling it. I went into this game with the understanding that we'd mostly play it straight. Not only are people not playing it straight, you're jumping on Gerald for playing it straight and I'm 99% sure he's good.

The seer is not in the villager pool. If you want to soft a fourth seer claim that works though because then the game is solved.


How are you that sure?

Because I know Gerald? I don't understand why that's strange; I've gotten his alignment from less posts before.

For example, he's probably approaching "fuck it" territory where he's going to nightfall somebody.


Please don't do this, gelrod.
Dake Jimson
i don't get why it's such a drag for him to play villager straight. it's not so bad. it's kinda refreshing to not be trying things. you can just focus on solving.
L Squared
Androl- Why did your stance on me change and why did you say I was being manipulative?
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

i don't get why it's such a drag for him to play villager straight. it's not so bad. it's kinda refreshing to not be trying things. you can just focus on solving.


It's ok...if nothing else it's helping me work on my reads without antics, which are frankly awful. Anyways, who says I'm not trying something?

I say we lynch into the priest claims.


okay, so we lynch uncountered ohgy. good idea.
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Also we're looking at it wrong. I don't think it's possible two evils are in the seer pool. 33% chance to lynch evil there.

If there are two evils in the village pool, 50% chance to lynch correctly there (of each villager removes himself from the equation). I think van is actually right-ish from a math perspective.


math is evil. avin isn't in the seer pool. he is in his own pool of urine.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Also we're looking at it wrong. I don't think it's possible two evils are in the seer pool. 33% chance to lynch evil there.

If there are two evils in the village pool, 50% chance to lynch correctly there (of each villager removes himself from the equation). I think van is actually right-ish from a math perspective.


math is evil. avin isn't in the seer pool. he is in his own pool of urine.


Eww.
Dake Jimson

gelrod wrote:

Dake wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Also we're looking at it wrong. I don't think it's possible two evils are in the seer pool. 33% chance to lynch evil there.

If there are two evils in the village pool, 50% chance to lynch correctly there (of each villager removes himself from the equation). I think van is actually right-ish from a math perspective.


math is evil. avin isn't in the seer pool. he is in his own pool of urine.


I think he's doing something fun and interesting.


yeah, swimming in urine is fun an interesting.

i agree with you.
Dake Jimson
basically what i'm saying is that the seer pool really only has 2 players in it. rhanddom, the super evil guy who isn't even trying to be good. jared, the super good guy that is playing it as straight as an arrow.

avin is off to the side dancing around with his underwear on his head.
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

i pretty much know where most people stand.

come to think of it, i don't really know where vand stands on the vill pool.

vand, can you also compile a list of reads?


I believe ohgrande, I believe Jared by PoE of not believing either of the other seer claimants. I think rhanddom's claim is very suspicious because the progression of his claim didn't make sense, and one of his posts that I commented on was like evilRhanddom101, the kind of convoluted logic that he was using last game to explain why he thought both Androl and Royal were evil.

Avin is claiming the same clear as Jared, so that's fine. I don't know how to evaluate Avin's claim stuff today so I'm just going to ignore it regarding reads. I had him as leaning bad for his lack of hunting, but I really liked the thing he said about Androl's post, because I had the exact same opinion of it.

I think Lindsey is good from the way she was arguing with gelrod on what I think was page 8, because she felt genuine. I thought the gelrod's accusation was pretty bad, and I also agreed with Lindsey about her read that gelrodVillager is less likely to play it straight.

Androl I don't like because his stuff at the start of the game is pretty much the opposite of what he was doing last game, where he posted a whole bunch of strategy stuff. I feel like in this game there was a lot of strategy to be discussed D1, but he just made jokes about being a villager and has been quieter. I did like the thing he said where he admitted that his analysis was bad, and I'm not sold on this read because of how wrong I was on him last game, but he's my top evil from the villager pool.

Gelrod is fairly null, I didn't like his interactions with Lindsey as much, I'm giving him points for Jared townreading him early, but I also don't see what he did to get it.
Him calling me evil and arguing with me about strategy is what he does pretty much every game.


You're a clear, you're probably legit and on the level.
Also, I was reading you as good before that because of your initial aggression at Lindsey.


Hrm, I thought we came to the general agreement that strategy discussion was not alignment indicative. And I may not have started off with much, but I think I've supply a fair amount here recently, one of which you thumbed and didn't respond to, actually nobody has.

Dake - I strongly believe lynching rhanddom is the wrong play today. Leave him for tomorrow. He is definitely evil, but if we lynch him today we are giving the wolves the opportunity to kill a seer claimant with no repercussions. Use this opportunity to lynch into an unknown and let the wolves give us information about where/who they choose to kill tonight.

Jared - I don't understand how you can have a good read on Gelrod. Sure, his play looks like he is just claiming villager and is being straight up, but there are two evils outside of Rhanddom that are doing just the opposite. He could very likely be one of those, there is at least one sitting in the pool of villagers, and probably two from my take right now.


I thumbed it because I agreed with it, but I don't want to spam the thread with posts about lynching into the villagers.
I'm not reading you based on your strategy, I'm reading you based on your content and noise level being different from last game.
Alabaster

gelrod wrote:

Also we're looking at it wrong. I don't think it's possible two evils are in the seer pool. 33% chance to lynch evil there.

If there are two evils in the village pool, 50% chance to lynch correctly there (of each villager removes himself from the equation). I think van is actually right-ish from a math perspective.


I think it's possibke that there are actually two evils in there, and I definitely think Rhanddom is more than 33% likely to be evil, but yeah.
Dake Jimson
i'll move villager pool if a rhand lynch becomes a non-starter.

until then, this is where i stay.
L Squared
So, here's where I'm at. I don't get why people keep saying "we know Rhand is evil, but let's leave him alone." It's not like the wolves are sitting there thinking, "But do they think Rhand is evil?" We're not going to WIFOM them into thinking that he is a feasible seer candidate.

I think I've come around to Rhand being the Sorc, and I do think I was actually his N0. I swear, I've been Sorc N0 like 5 times and Seer N0 maybe once. RNG loves me that way. (Though there was that awesome game where I claimed seer, the Sorc announced I was his "seer" N0, got lynched, and the wolves still killed me that night thinking I was the seer. It was fantastic.)

I guess what I'm saying is that math don't mean shit when you have dope reads.

(Did I do that right, Dake?)
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

basically what i'm saying is that the seer pool really only has 2 players in it. rhanddom, the super evil guy who isn't even trying to be good. jared, the super good guy that is playing it as straight as an arrow.

avin is off to the side dancing around with his underwear on his head.

That's how I've been reading it.
L Squared
I don't remember who I'm voting.

[vote rhand]
L Squared
Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

basically what i'm saying is that the seer pool really only has 2 players in it. rhanddom, the super evil guy who isn't even trying to be good. jared, the super good guy that is playing it as straight as an arrow.

avin is off to the side dancing around with his underwear on his head.

That's how I've been reading it.


i don't want that to be read as a criticism of avin either. he's a good dancer.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


sure.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


if he's real though. isn't it helping him?

we can't ruin it, i don't think. it's fine.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


if he's real though. isn't it helping him?

we can't ruin it, i don't think. it's fine.


But I don't think he's doing a thing. I think he's evil. And letting everyone just hand wave him into being good is bad.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


if he's real though. isn't it helping him?

we can't ruin it, i don't think. it's fine.


But I don't think he's doing a thing. I think he's evil. And letting everyone just hand wave him into being good is bad.


don't worry, i'm not giving him a pass. well i'm giving him a pass today, but not for the game.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30)
Androl - 2 - Vanderscamp (29), gelrod (31)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30)
Androl - 2 - Vanderscamp (29), gelrod (31)
ljtrigirl - 1 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


Why do you keep talking about it if you think this?
L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


Why do you keep talking about it if you think this?


I'm not. I'm saying that I think he's evil and I don't like everyone giving him a pass.
Kevin
PSA
I have a meeting at 11 today, so dusk might be called late. Please stop posting at 12:00.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


Why do you keep talking about it if you think this?


I'm not. I'm saying that I think he's evil and I don't like everyone giving him a pass.


do you want to lynch him today?
L Squared
I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Whatever Avin may or may not be doing, constantly saying that is reducing the effectiveness or making it easier for him to hide if he's evil. So can we please stop it?


Why do you keep talking about it if you think this?


I'm not. I'm saying that I think he's evil and I don't like everyone giving him a pass.


do you want to lynch him today?


He's on my lynch list, yes. But I want to lynch Rhand more.
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.


Why is Androl good?
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl- Why did your stance on me change and why did you say I was being manipulative?


I'm becoming a bit sensitive to the whole "Androl always sounds evil" bit. So, I tend to read anything about me with that type of commentary with a negative slant. Personally, if I am saying shit that sounds bad, just lynch me and I'll either learn, or everyone else will learn if I am to dense to figure it out.

And I wanted to get my vote off of avin after that terrible miss of his joke vote. That was really embarrassing bad. And we had plenty of time left, so I wanted to see your reaction and what others did. Unfortunately only dake responded, and since he's virtually cleared I gleaned nothing.

I'm not totally sold on you not being evil, but right now I have my reasons to suspect the gelrod/vanders pairing.


Do you have any kind of reasoning to suspect us as a team, or do you not like us individually?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10), Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27) , gelrod (32)
Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29), gelrod (31)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.


Why is Androl good?


Because the things he's choosing to comment on and prod at are geared towards solving the game, not pushing agendas.
Dake Jimson
androl sounds kinda good.
L Squared

gelrod wrote:

Androl wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

Androl- Why did your stance on me change and why did you say I was being manipulative?


I'm becoming a bit sensitive to the whole "Androl always sounds evil" bit. So, I tend to read anything about me with that type of commentary with a negative slant. Personally, if I am saying shit that sounds bad, just lynch me and I'll either learn, or everyone else will learn if I am to dense to figure it out.

And I wanted to get my vote off of avin after that terrible miss of his joke vote. That was really embarrassing bad. And we had plenty of time left, so I wanted to see your reaction and what others did. Unfortunately only dake responded, and since he's virtually cleared I gleaned nothing.

I'm not totally sold on you not being evil, but right now I have my reasons to suspect the gelrod/vanders pairing.


I actually believe you, I think.

[vote LJ]


Your vote is bad and you should feel bad.
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.


Why is Androl good?


Probably because the only possible combination of me being evil would be with rhanddom and avin.

I am terrible at evil and have never bussed and I am currently pushing for you and gelrod, and yesterday lj sort of makes it unlikely that any of you three would be my wolf partner.

But decide for yourself.


Can anyone confirm this about Androl?

Also, what does the bolded mean?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

androl sounds kinda good.

Yeah I'm less sure about this.
L Squared

Vanderscamp wrote:

Androl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.


Why is Androl good?


Probably because the only possible combination of me being evil would be with rhanddom and avin.

I am terrible at evil and have never bussed and I am currently pushing for you and gelrod, and yesterday lj sort of makes it unlikely that any of you three would be my wolf partner.

But decide for yourself.


Can anyone confirm this about Androl?

Also, what does the bolded mean?


I haven't really played enough with him to know.

It pretty clearly means that he doesn't bus, so you, me, and gel aren't viable wolf partners for him.
L Squared

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Fuck it, this is the post that linked gelrod and vanders together for me. If gelrod is evil, this totally fits his M.O. distance by pushing his wolf partner.

The fact that vanders is pushing me so hard fits my view at this point of him being evil. I think he is to good of player to tunnel on me and he's trying to drive the evil!androl mislynch.

It's the best I've got at this point.


thumbsup

I'd go back to gel if people would vote there, but I don't think we'll get enough.
L Squared
[vote gelrod]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10) , Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30), ljtrigirl (33)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27) , gelrod (32)
Androl - 1 - Vanderscamp (29), gelrod (31)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Fuck it, this is the post that linked gelrod and vanders together for me. If gelrod is evil, this totally fits his M.O. distance by pushing his wolf partner.

The fact that vanders is pushing me so hard fits my view at this point of him being evil. I think he is to good of player to tunnel on me and he's trying to drive the evil!androl mislynch.

It's the best I've got at this point.


you say "fuck it" as if you were trying not say this.

why were you trying to not say this?

or am i misinterpreting your "fuck it"?
Alabaster

ljtrigirl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Androl wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

I will vote Vanders, Avin, and gel before I vote Androl.


Why is Androl good?


Probably because the only possible combination of me being evil would be with rhanddom and avin.

I am terrible at evil and have never bussed and I am currently pushing for you and gelrod, and yesterday lj sort of makes it unlikely that any of you three would be my wolf partner.

But decide for yourself.


Can anyone confirm this about Androl?

Also, what does the bolded mean?


I haven't really played enough with him to know.

It pretty clearly means that he doesn't bus, so you, me, and gel aren't viable wolf partners for him.


Durrr I read that as you doing something yesterday that made it unlikely.
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Fuck it, this is the post that linked gelrod and vanders together for me. If gelrod is evil, this totally fits his M.O. distance by pushing his wolf partner.

The fact that vanders is pushing me so hard fits my view at this point of him being evil. I think he is to good of player to tunnel on me and he's trying to drive the evil!androl mislynch.

It's the best I've got at this point.


you say "fuck it" as if you were trying not say this.

why were you trying to not say this?

or am i misinterpreting your "fuck it"?


I didn't want to show my hand, was going to see if anyone else came to the same conclusion without me leading.


sharing reads is usually a positive thing. i get what you're saying though, i suppose.
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Fuck it, this is the post that linked gelrod and vanders together for me. If gelrod is evil, this totally fits his M.O. distance by pushing his wolf partner.

The fact that vanders is pushing me so hard fits my view at this point of him being evil. I think he is to good of player to tunnel on me and he's trying to drive the evil!androl mislynch.

It's the best I've got at this point.


If I were actually tunnelling on you, I wouldn't be talking about stuff that I think makes you look good.
Alabaster
Ugghh

[vote gelrod]

I'd also be okay with Avin, I don't want to lynch Lindsey.
Alabaster

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

gelrod wrote:


Does anyone else feel like this is Vanders reacting to coming in to a bad situation after having been away from the thread all day?


Fuck it, this is the post that linked gelrod and vanders together for me. If gelrod is evil, this totally fits his M.O. distance by pushing his wolf partner.

The fact that vanders is pushing me so hard fits my view at this point of him being evil. I think he is to good of player to tunnel on me and he's trying to drive the evil!androl mislynch.

It's the best I've got at this point.


you say "fuck it" as if you were trying not say this.

why were you trying to not say this?

or am i misinterpreting your "fuck it"?


I didn't want to show my hand, was going to see if anyone else came to the same conclusion without me leading.


I don't understand this.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Ugghh

[vote gelrod]

I'd also be okay with Avin, I don't want to lynch Lindsey.


why ugh? don't you want to be voting the villager pool?
Alabaster
I am super torn on androl
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

I am super torn on androl


and how confident are you on gel?
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Ugghh

[vote gelrod]

I'd also be okay with Avin, I don't want to lynch Lindsey.


why ugh? don't you want to be voting the villager pool?


Ugghh because I hate what he's saying, but I like how he's saying it.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 4 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10) , Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30), ljtrigirl (33), Vanderscamp (34)
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27) , gelrod (32)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Androl - 0 - Vanderscamp (29) , gelrod (31)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Ugghh

[vote gelrod]

I'd also be okay with Avin, I don't want to lynch Lindsey.


why ugh? don't you want to be voting the villager pool?


Ugghh because I hate what he's saying, but I like how he's saying it.


androl or gel?
Dake Jimson
i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

Why are you guys lynching Gerald?


[o]He's evil[/o]
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

I am super torn on androl


and how confident are you on gel?


I'm not.
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.


You absolutely want to lynch him today?

Have you considered my comments from before and you do not agree with me?


i have considered them.

here's my problem. i understand the logic of lynching in the villager pool. but i don't have a very strong read in the villager pool.

i have a VERY strong read on rhanddom. i think reads trump math.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Ugghh

[vote gelrod]

I'd also be okay with Avin, I don't want to lynch Lindsey.


why ugh? don't you want to be voting the villager pool?


Ugghh because I hate what he's saying, but I like how he's saying it.


androl or gel?


Androl.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.


Not lynching him today is NOT letting him off the hook.
Dake Jimson

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.


Not lynching him today is NOT letting him off the hook.


it sure as heck is.
Alabaster
Like, lynching into the villagers today vs lynching into the seers tomorrow isn't different from lynching into the seer today and then the villagers tomorrow, except there are a bunch of benefits for leaving the seers alive today.
If we have a strong read on the situation then we can just go with that read on the better day.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.


Not lynching him today is NOT letting him off the hook.


it sure as heck is.


No, saying "ok let's just leave all the seers alive for the whole game" is letting him off the hook, which I don't want to do.
Dake Jimson
rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.
L Squared
It doesn't come down to villagers vs seers to me.

I think Rhand and gel are both evil. I think gel is more likely to squirm out of a future lynch than Rhand is.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.


Lol. Nice crosspost.
Dake Jimson
i don't think the wolves' kill tells us shit.
Dake Jimson
except who died.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

i'll be a tad annoyed if we let rhando off the hook without having to say shit today.

"shit today"
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

Androl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

Why are you guys lynching Gerald?


go read my post about it and please tell me your take on my assessment.

I think your assessment is wrong. If you don't want to trust me, fine, I'll assume people pushing Gerald are evil.


shake
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.

"shit tomorrow"
Dake Jimson
i don't get it, but i trust jared's read. gel is 3rd on my list in the vill pool.
L Squared

JaredW25 wrote:

I'm fucking tired of people "using our mislynch". I lynch my evil reads. Arguing to lynch into a pool where a) it's easier to miss evil and b) I don't have solid evil reads is ridiculous. Especially in a set where we may not even learn if it's a mislynch because ohg is likely dead at dawn.


Literally only Vanders has talked about that.
Alabaster
Also, part of why I'm not on Androl anymore is because I 100% agree with his strategy stuff that he's been posting recently, and it'd be kind of nasty for evilAndrol to go "hey here's some strategy stuff I know Vanderscamp will agree with" after I call him out on not posting strategy.
Dake Jimson
me and you are hanging hard, jared.
Alabaster

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.

"shit tomorrow"


Do you have any actual thoughts on the game?
L Squared
[vote rhand]

Whatever. We can lynch gel tomoz.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

I'm fucking tired of people "using our mislynch". I lynch my evil reads. Arguing to lynch into a pool where a) it's easier to miss evil and b) I don't have solid evil reads is ridiculous. Especially in a set where we may not even learn if it's a mislynch because ohg is likely dead at dawn.


Literally only Vanders has talked about that.


androl is saying it too. so is avin, but not as strongly.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

I'm fucking tired of people "using our mislynch". I lynch my evil reads. Arguing to lynch into a pool where a) it's easier to miss evil and b) I don't have solid evil reads is ridiculous. Especially in a set where we may not even learn if it's a mislynch because ohg is likely dead at dawn.


Literally only Vanders has talked about that.


androl is saying it too. so is avin, but not as strongly.


Well, it's stupid.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

[vote rhand]

Whatever. We can lynch gel tomoz.


we can talk about lynching gel tomorrow.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Vanderscamp wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.

"shit tomorrow"


Do you have any actual thoughts on the game?

Yes. Jared and gelrod are the wolves. Avin is their Sorc.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

ljtrigirl wrote:

JaredW25 wrote:

I'm fucking tired of people "using our mislynch". I lynch my evil reads. Arguing to lynch into a pool where a) it's easier to miss evil and b) I don't have solid evil reads is ridiculous. Especially in a set where we may not even learn if it's a mislynch because ohg is likely dead at dawn.


Literally only Vanders has talked about that.


androl is saying it too. so is avin, but not as strongly.


Well, it's stupid.


i agree.
L Squared
No, fuck it. I want to lynch gel today.

[vote gel]
Dake Jimson
come on, lj. you know you're more sure about rhand.
Alabaster
I still think it's wrong, but I won't cry if Rhanddom dies here.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 4 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20), Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28) , Androl (35)
gelrod - 3 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10) , Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30) , ljtrigirl (33), Vanderscamp (34)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27) , gelrod (32)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Androl - 0 - Vanderscamp (29) , gelrod (31)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

Well I'm not 100% confident on my reads. If dake isn't buying in then I'll just concede to the rhand lynch.

[vote Rhanddom]


you don't need me to lynch gel. why am i so important?
Dake Jimson
rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.
L Squared

Dake wrote:

come on, lj. you know you're more sure about rhand.


I'm really not though.
L Squared

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

Well I'm not 100% confident on my reads. If dake isn't buying in then I'll just concede to the rhand lynch.

[vote Rhanddom]


you don't need me to lynch gel. why am i so important?


Seriously? In two of the three seer possibilities you are clear. So I'd rather vote with you than against you. I guess it boils down to, if you aren't going to hold hands with me and march down the path to a possible mislynch, I don't want to be solely responsible for it.


I'll hold hands with you.
Dake Jimson

ljtrigirl wrote:

Dake wrote:

come on, lj. you know you're more sure about rhand.


I'm really not though.


fair enough.
Alabaster

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.


Idk, I have trouble seeing goodRhanddom give up like this.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.

You never do, when you mislynch Seer!me. It's always my fault. You know what? I can live with that.

Read the game from the perspective that I am the actual Seer, with an N0 of LJ. You'll figure it out for yourself, a lot faster than if I sit here and argue with you.
Avin Fernando

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.


I really don't like this as a reason to vote rhand today.
Dake Jimson

Androl wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

Well I'm not 100% confident on my reads. If dake isn't buying in then I'll just concede to the rhand lynch.

[vote Rhanddom]


you don't need me to lynch gel. why am i so important?


Seriously? In two of the three seer possibilities you are clear. So I'd rather vote with you than against you. I guess it boils down to, if you aren't going to hold hands with me and march down the path to a possible mislynch, I don't want to be solely responsible for it.


i'm good and i'm a villager, but that doesn't mean i'm right, bro.

follow your heart. i don't want you to have an out of "i was doing what the seer clear was doing."

from my perspective, rhand has almost zero chance of being good. i don't have that same feeling on anyone else in this village. that's how i'm gonna roll.
L Squared

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.

You never do, when you mislynch Seer!me. It's always my fault. You know what? I can live with that.

Read the game from the perspective that I am the actual Seer, with an N0 of LJ. You'll figure it out for yourself, a lot faster than if I sit here and argue with you.


There is not time for that. And it's on you to prove yourself/convince us that you are the seer, not the other way around.
Avin Fernando

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

Well I'm not 100% confident on my reads. If dake isn't buying in then I'll just concede to the rhand lynch.

[vote Rhanddom]


you don't need me to lynch gel. why am i so important?


And I really don't like this switch either.

[vote gelrod]
Dake Jimson

Avin wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand has a higher chance of getting away with shit tomorrow, i think.


I really don't like this as a reason to vote rhand today.


it's not a reason exactly.

it's a retort to people saying there's no difference between us going into the vill pool today and seers tomorrow.

my reason for voting rhand is that i believe most strongly that he is evil. i don't have this strong a feeling on anyone else.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

Vanderscamp wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.


Idk, I have trouble seeing goodRhanddom give up like this.

I'm not giving up. I'm pretty sure I've solved the game. And I'm trying an experiment of my own.
Alabaster
My updated reads are that Androl is better, gelrod and Avin have slipped down by PoE, and Dake is like confirmed.
Dake Jimson

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.

You never do, when you mislynch Seer!me. It's always my fault. You know what? I can live with that.

Read the game from the perspective that I am the actual Seer, with an N0 of LJ. You'll figure it out for yourself, a lot faster than if I sit here and argue with you.


i'm not asking for an argument. a quick thing you could answer is what you were doing with the priest claim.
L Squared
[unvote all]

What is happening.
Don't Matter if you're Blue or Red

ljtrigirl wrote:

Rhanddom wrote:

Dake wrote:

rhand, is that it?

if you're good, please don't be satisfied with "well at least they'll feel like idiots after they find out i was good."

because i can guarantee you i won't feel like an idiot.

You never do, when you mislynch Seer!me. It's always my fault. You know what? I can live with that.

Read the game from the perspective that I am the actual Seer, with an N0 of LJ. You'll figure it out for yourself, a lot faster than if I sit here and argue with you.


There is not time for that. And it's on you to prove yourself/convince us that you are the seer, not the other way around.

Pffft.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
gelrod - 4 - JaredW25 (3) , Dake (8) , ljtrigirl (10) , Rhanddom (11) , Rhanddom (21), gelrod (23) , gelrod (24) , Vanderscamp (26) , Androl (30) , ljtrigirl (33), Vanderscamp (34), Avin (36)
Rhanddom - 3 - Vanderscamp (6) , JaredW25 (19), Avin (20) , Dake (22), gelrod (25) , Vanderscamp (28) , Androl (35)
ljtrigirl - 2 - Dake (2) , ohgrande (7), gelrod (17) , Androl (27) , gelrod (32)
JaredW25 - 0 - ljtrigirl (1) , Rhanddom (16)
Androl - 0 - Vanderscamp (29) , gelrod (31)
Dake - 0 - ljtrigirl (5) , Androl (9)
ohgrande - 0 - Avin (4)
Avin - 0 - gelrod (12) , Dake (13) , JaredW25 (14) , Androl (15) , gelrod (18)
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Current Claims:
gelrod - God I can't believe I'm just a villager :-(
JaredW25 - seer n0 Dake
Androl - villager
Rhanddom - (no claim)
Dake - villager
Vanderscamp - villager
ohgrande - (no claim)
ljtrigirl - villager
Avin - seer n0 Dake
L Squared

Avin wrote:

Dake wrote:

Androl wrote:

Well I'm not 100% confident on my reads. If dake isn't buying in then I'll just concede to the rhand lynch.

[vote Rhanddom]


you don't need me to lynch gel. why am i so important?


And I really don't like this switch either.

[vote gelrod]


Why did you do that?
Al