Joseph Reissmann
nolemonplease got permission from rangers85 to continue on with the Random Role Set series.

We have the perfect 11 format, but thought it'd be fun to try out some other roles. Thus, a bit of a twist on that as some roles will be randomized and won't be disclosed which additional roles are in play, only a list of possible roles. This will be a FULL REVEAL game.

**Due to the possibility of a mimic in play, PLEASE NO ZOMBIE POSTS after your death**

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GUARANTEED ROLES

TEAM EVIL

(2) Werewolves - These will have the normal wolf role. One wolf killed will be brutal, which will be known to wolves which is brutal prior to start. Wolves will share a chat and have a night kill. Must achieve parity to win.

One other random role is guaranteed to be evil.

TEAM GOOD

(1) Seer - Will be one of seers listed in possible seer type pool below. The type of seer chosen will be known to the seer at the start of the game and will be revealed to the mimic if they view the seer. It will also be revealed if they are killed.

(1) Hunter - Holds parity tiebreaker if end game comes down to 1 hunter and 1 wolf. Does NOT possess a brutal kill.

(4) Villagers - Plain vanilla villagers. Go find some wolves!

One other random role is guaranteed to be good.

That gives 8 guaranteed roles in the game which means the last 3 spots can come from the following list. 1 will be guaranteed on team evil, 1 guaranteed on team good. The last could swing to either team. It will not be disclosed the break down of these 3 between teams.

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POSSIBLE ROLES

POSSIBLE EVIL ROLES

Cultist Sorcerer - Each night can view 1 player for Seer/Not Seer. Will know the identities of the wolves, but will not share a chat with them. Will receive a random negative N0 view.

Witch - Each night chooses a player to block the night action of. Does not know identities of wolves. May not block same player two consecutive nights. Players blocked by the witch will not learn that they were blocked. Any player with a viewing role that is blocked will only receive a "no view" message. If there are two Wolves left alive the Witch will not be able to block their night kill, however if the Witch targets the last living wolf the night kill will be blocked.

Mimic - Each night can view one player and learns their role. Mimic can choose which of viewed roles he can reveal as in death. Does not know identities of wolves. Receives first view on N1. Will appear as good to alignment seer.

Wolf Cub - promotes immediately upon death of a werewolf. Prior to promotion does not count toward evil parity. Knows non-brutal wolf only prior to promotion. Viewed as not wolf by seer until promotion to werewolf.

POSSIBLE GOOD ROLES

Martyr - Each night can choose 1 player to protect from the night kill. If the protected player is chosen for the night kill the martyr will be killed instead.

(2) Masons - If the mason role is chosen as the random good role, the masons will take both the good spot and the random 3rd spot. Masons will share a Cassandra chat.

Witness - Can target one player each night. If that player is killed by night kill will randomly learn identity of one werewolf. If the Martyr is protecting the night kill target the Witness needs to be viewing the Martyr to learn a wolf's identity. Only views a kill that is a night kill performed by wolves (whether that's the target or the martyr protecting), does not see any subsequent actions such as brutals.

Knight - Tough villager. Takes 2 deaths to kill. Will be informed when they lose their tough.

Duke - Can once per game choose to change the lynch. Will have an order in mod chat labeled "change lynch to" to set lynch target. Command must be used prior to lynch deadline. Will be processed at normal lynch time and can be revoked by duke at any point prior to lynching.

Tinker - Will be a villager that unknowingly is a tinker. Will reveal as villager upon death. Will appear opposite to seer and sorcerer. I.e. As werewolf to traditional seer, as evil to alignment seer, as special to special seer, and as seer to sorcerer.

Villager - Additional vanilla villager added. Will not know this role was one of the extras added.

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POSSIBLE SEER TYPES

Traditional Seer - Each night will be able to view 1 player to determine if they are a wolf or not a wolf. Will not be able to distinguish any aux evil. Will receive a random negative N0 view.

Alignment Seer - views each night one person to learn their alignment. Receives a random good N0 view.

Special Seer - views each night to learn if a player is a special (and random role plus seer, wolf, hunter). Receives a random villager N0.

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Brutal note: brutal cuts through any protect order. Brutal is also not considered a night action and thus is not an action the witness would view or that martyr can prevent.

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NIGHT ORDER
1. Witch Block
2. Martyr Protect
3. Night Kill
4. Seer/Sorcerer/Mimic view

VICTORY CONDITIONS
Good wins if all werewolves are eliminated. Evil wins if the wolves achieve parity: if at any time the number of wolves remaining equals the number of non-wolves remaining, evil wins.

LYNCH
Dusk is at 9:00 PM BGG time.
Dawn is at 9:30 PM BGG time.
Longest Held Last Vote prevails in instances of ties.
Nightfall is enabled.

MISCELLANEOUS THINGS
Please do not sign up for the game if you do not plan on being an active player. Mod discretion will be used for replacing inactive players.
You are also required to show a proof of life prior to "12 hours before first dusk".
Beyond this, all standard Hi game rules are in effect.

**Due to the possibility of a mimic in play, PLEASE NO ZOMBIE POSTS after your death**
Cassandra Project
Player List According to Cassandra:
DeMorcerf
Felice Si
irwin1138
Kiwi13cubed
madelineb
nolemonplease
ortho_
PaperF
Rhanddom
Scarlett_O
Taquelli

11 players are signed up.

To sign up for this game go to
http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462...
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Hm, this is a lynch time that's actually good for me. I'll consider it.
I just signed up on Cassandra.
Dave ??arski-Riley
I'll play if you need someone to fill and are struggling, but I'll give later people a chance to get on this first.
on-x

Smugvid wrote:

I'll play if you need someone to fill and are struggling, but I'll give later people a chance to get on this first.
But... I want you. Sign up now! I just did.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Smugvid wrote:

I'll play if you need someone to fill and are struggling, but I'll give later people a chance to get on this first.

Who will we lynch D1 without you?
Dave ??arski-Riley

irwin1138 wrote:

Smugvid wrote:

I'll play if you need someone to fill and are struggling, but I'll give later people a chance to get on this first.
But... I want you. Sign up now! I just did.


There aren't so many late games, I want people who normally have to wait or be AFK for lynch to get a game. If it's not full tomorrow, I'll join. Also heart
Silver
I briefly signed up but then saw smugvid was waiting first, I don't need a late game so I withdrew
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Aaaah whatever, I'm in. Smug and silver, stand by to replace me when I get pissed and quit :/
Joseph Reissmann
Looks like we're full already! That has be a new record for one of these.
I'm planning on setting this up Sunday morning and having first lynch on Monday, November 2.
Joseph Reissmann

Nessus77 wrote:

Looks like we're full already! That has be a new record for one of these.
I'm planning on setting this up Sunday morning and having first lynch on Monday, November 2.
Morning, afternoon, whatever. Setting up now.
Cassandra Project
The Cassandra Automatic Vote Tally System

Your Moderator has enabled the Cassandra Automatic Vote Tally system
for this game. In order for it to function correctly, your votes will
need to be formatted correctly. The following rules will explain what
you will need to do:

Players
1. All votes must be bolded

2. The entire vote statement must be bolded and enclosed in brackets:
[vote jmilum]

3. If your game allows, and you [vote nightfall] your vote will
be locked. Your moderator may have disabled nightfall votes.

4. Vote tallies will be automatically posted to the game thread
regularly if the tally has changed. The Tally and Vote Logs (for each
game day) are also available on the Cassandra game page.

5. If your vote is not counted be sure to check the Vote Log page and
see if it was marked invalid and why.

6. Case does not matter and simple typos will not cause the vote to fail.

7. You may [vote no lynch] if your game allows it.

8. Non voting players will be listed in the tallies. This will only be
correct if the Moderator notes which players have been killed (see below)

9. Editing a vote post will invalidate the vote and it will not be counted.


Moderators
1. The moderator will need to post [Dawn] when the day begins
(after the night results are posted) and [Dusk] when the lynch
deadline has passed and the day is over. Votes will not be counted
after [Dusk] has been posted. They will be registered again
after [Dawn] is next posted.

2. You may include a day number in the dawn and dusk post for
informational purposes, but it will not be used by the system.
Cassandra will increment an internal counter each time it sees
[Dawn] no matter what day is shown in a dawn post (i.e.
[Dawn 3] the three is allowed but ignored)

3. After dusk has been posted, the Moderator may go to the game page
on Cassandra to request a Final Tally to be posted before the normal
scan period has elapsed (i.e. Game Y gets scanned at 45 min. after the
hour, if it lynches at 7pm the moderator may request a tally to be
posted from the game page before 7:45pm. it will also be posted
regardless of whether or not it has been changed since the last
posting) - Do this by clicking on the 'Force Vote Tally' link.

4. You will need to note which players were killed via the lynch or at night by
either posting [killed jmilum] in the thread, or by going to the game
page and editing the player list. When posting in the thread, be sure to post
[dusk] before posting the lynch kill, and post [dawn] before
posting the night kill.
Example:
A. lynch time has passed so post [dusk]
B. goto the game page and select a final tally to be posted
C. check the final tally and post [killed melsana]
D. after the night deadline has passed post [dawn]
E. post the night kill with [killed kima]

Your Moderator has chosen to use the Longest Held Last Vote method for a tiebreaker - This is just for Cassandra system, and there may be a different tiebreaker specified by your Moderator in the ruleset.
Your Moderator has chosen to allow Nightfall votes.
Your Moderator has chosen to allow No Lynch votes.

Vote Log Page: http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462...
Vote Tally Page: http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462...
Joseph Reissmann
I'm slow.

[DAWN]

You may post!
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
throw kiwifruit at Rhanddom and [vote Rhanddom]
Madeline B
It's been a while. Or, this being game 1705, it will be.

[vote taquelli]

(Nessus, do you have an alternate vote counter enabled?)
Paper Luis
[Vote ortho] Are you good?! angry
Joseph Reissmann

madelineb wrote:

It's been a while. Or, this being game 1705, it will be.

[vote taquelli]

(Nessus, do you have an alternate vote counter enabled?)
Not yet. Working on it. I wasn't sure if it was needed until now. I haven't been following cassy's progress that closely.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
[{DeMorcerf} signup][{Felice Si} signup][{irwin1138} signup][{Kiwi13cubed} signup][{madelineb} signup][{nolemonplease} signup][{ortho_} signup][{PaperF} signup][{Rhanddom} signup][{Scarlett_O} signup][{Taquelli} signup]
Cassandra Project
VOTE TALLY

Player (11/11) - # - Voted by


Not Voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, irwin1138, Kiwi13cubed, madelineb, nolemonplease, ortho_, PaperF, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli


Nightfall votes are denoted by an '*' after the player's name.


Your Moderator has chosen to use the Longest Held Last Vote method for a tiebreaker - This is just for Cassandra system, and there may be a different tiebreaker specified by your Moderator in the ruleset.

Lynch time is at 9:00 PM BGG
Night Action deadline is at 9:30 PM BGG
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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on


Not Voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, irwin1138, Kiwi13cubed, madelineb, nolemonplease, ortho_, PaperF, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli
Joseph Reissmann

Cassandra Project wrote:

VOTE TALLY

Player (11/11) - # - Voted by


Not Voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, irwin1138, Kiwi13cubed, madelineb, nolemonplease, ortho_, PaperF, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli


Nightfall votes are denoted by an '*' after the player's name.


Your Moderator has chosen to use the Longest Held Last Vote method for a tiebreaker - This is just for Cassandra system, and there may be a different tiebreaker specified by your Moderator in the ruleset.

Lynch time is at 9:00 PM BGG
Night Action deadline is at 9:30 PM BGG
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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on


Not Voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, irwin1138, Kiwi13cubed, madelineb, nolemonplease, ortho_, PaperF, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli
I tried pushing her to see what would happen.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
[start][vote Rhanddom][{madelineb} vote taquelli][{PaperF} vote ortho_]
[nickname kiwi][nickname kara][nickname kiwi2197][nickname ortho_ as ortho][nickname DeMorcerf as demo][nickname irwin1138 as irwin][nickname madelineb as madeline][nickname nolemonplease as caitlin][nickname nolemonplease as lemon][nickname nolemonplease as nolemon][nickname PaperF as paper][nickname Scarlett_O as scarlett][nickname Taquelli as taq][relinquish mod]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
Not voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, irwin1138, nolemonplease, ortho_

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
Nessus, if I misspelled anyone's username, do a replace misspelled_name with correctly_spelled_name.
I tried to put in nicknames that I suspect would be helpful; people can nickname themselves with nickname kiwifruit; Nessus can nickname others with (not bolding so I don't get a weird nickname) nickname Felice Si as Felice
Votes have to be in bold and either the entire bold tag or enclosed in quotes. Names have to either be the entire username or one of the nicknames set in this case. Both are case insensitive. Nessus, posting dusk and dawn will reset the tallies. kill dead_person and killed dead_person will both work.

I think that's the relevant bits?

oh, and nightfalling is just nightfall, not vote nightfall.
Joseph Reissmann

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Nessus, if I misspelled anyone's username, do a replace misspelled_name with correctly_spelled_name.
I tried to put in nicknames that I suspect would be helpful; people can nickname themselves with nickname kiwifruit; Nessus can nickname others with (not bolding so I don't get a weird nickname) nickname Felice Si as Felice
Votes have to be in bold and either the entire bold tag or enclosed in quotes. Names have to either be the entire username or one of the nicknames set in this case. Both are case insensitive. Nessus, posting dusk and dawn will reset the tallies. kill dead_person and killed dead_person will both work.

I think that's the relevant bits?

oh, and nightfalling is just nightfall, not vote nightfall.
Please try to pay attention to make sure that your votes are accepted by modkiwi. It'll really help me if the tally it provides at lynch is accurate. However, I do know how crazy lynch chaos can be. The lynch will be determined by my interpretation of everyone's intentions and not necessarily the final tally provided by modkiwi. Late votes, however, will still be too late.
on-x

Nessus77 wrote:

Nessus77 wrote:

Looks like we're full already! That has be a new record for one of these.
I'm planning on setting this up Sunday morning and having first lynch on Monday, November 2.
Morning, afternoon, whatever. Setting up now.
Uh... dear... we don't really do Sunday mornings here.
on-x


So, that means... vote Demorcerf, yes?

kiss
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
Not voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, nolemonplease, ortho_

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

gelrod wrote:

ninja

Shit, I thought I signed up for this one in Cassie. Please add me as a replacement if needed.

ninja

Do you want my spot?
Josh Krehbiel
'Ello 'ello 'ello. (This is my Clive Owen impression.)

vote Felise Si


PaperF wrote:

[Vote ortho] Are you good?! angry


I'm 100% good. How about you, young boy? goo vote paperF
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Not voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, nolemonplease

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Josh Krehbiel
Spelling people's name correctly is important and FUNdamental.

vote Felice Si
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6)
Not voting: DeMorcerf, Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, nolemonplease

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
David Morcerf
Every adventure requires a first step.
[vote madelineb]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, nolemonplease

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
David Morcerf

PaperF wrote:

[Vote ortho] Are you good?! angry

How fine you look when dressed in rage. But pray-tell, what is the source of it?
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:



So, that means... vote Demorcerf, yes?

kiss

Your affection is touching. Your manner of showing it, more so.
Your knife is necessary, but not sufficient. Always collect what's useful.
Reject only your ignorance, and you may survive.
David Morcerf

Taquelli wrote:

'Ello 'ello 'ello. (This is my Clive Owen impression.)

vote Felise Si



Here's a riddle: when is a Taquelli like a Clive Owen? I'll tell you: whenever he wants to be.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
It occurs to me that I'm going to be unavailable for about an hour and a half before lynch up to lynch today.
David Morcerf

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

It occurs to me that I'm going to be unavailable for about an hour and a half before lynch up to lynch today.

So the rabbit's clock runs short. [vote kiwi]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O, nolemonplease

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

DeMorcerf wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

It occurs to me that I'm going to be unavailable for about an hour and a half before lynch up to lynch today.

So the rabbit's clock runs short. [vote kiwi]

The prettier the flower, the farther from the path.
I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
~5 hours.

I have nothing to go on right now. Demo's stuff, such as it is, strikes me as not pushing an agenda, so tiny plus to him for trying to participate.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
*throws a lemon at Caitlin*

Hey you over there, why are you so scary?
Caitlin
I'm not scary.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

I'm not scary.

Oh. Cool. *sheepishly takes back the lemon*
Caitlin
You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1), nolemonplease (9)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
DeMorcerf - 1 - irwin1138 (4)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!
Rhanddom, eh? ...O'tay. vote Rhanddom. Sup?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Kiwi13cubed (1), nolemonplease (9), irwin1138 (10)
Taquelli - 1 - madelineb (2)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

To ensure the latest tally is up-to-date, please click here

Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
~5 hours.

I have nothing to go on right now. Demo's stuff, such as it is, strikes me as not pushing an agenda, so tiny plus to him for trying to participate.
When I first read your post I thought it was premature, based on the fact that there're next to no posts to go by.
But then I realized that, given the level of participation, actually that's a great point and I'm inclined to agree.
on-x

Smugvid wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Smugvid wrote:

I'll play if you need someone to fill and are struggling, but I'll give later people a chance to get on this first.
But... I want you. Sign up now! I just did.

There aren't so many late games, I want people who normally have to wait or be AFK for lynch to get a game. If it's not full tomorrow, I'll join. Also heart

silverbonds wrote:

I briefly signed up but then saw smugvid was waiting first, I don't need a late game so I withdrew

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Aaaah whatever, I'm in. Smug and silver, stand by to replace me when I get pissed and quit :/

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

ninja

Shit, I thought I signed up for this one in Cassie. Please add me as a replacement if needed.

ninja

Do you want my spot?
I am annoyed by this. I really wanted Smug to play. He said he'd play and silver even backed off in order to allow him to play, but then you joined.
He did wait to, so you certainly were welcome to join, but you did so while saying you were going to end up rage quitting.
And then, to top it off, you offered to give away your spot to another person entirely!

Please tell me the comment about ragequitting was a joke and you don't really plan or expect to do that. I don't know you or your sense of humor. So, I'm hoping it was just a joke. I don't want to play with someone who plans to get upset and quit. And I can't imagine it would be fun for the person who ragequits either. (Obviously, if the reason the person gets upset is because someone else was an ass to him/her, that's totally different and justifiable.)
on-x

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
Today. I'm sorry you're not feeling well, love. I hope you feel better later.
Felice AKA Maria
Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
Josh Krehbiel

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.
Felice AKA Maria

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.


Why don't you soft claim? laugh
Madeline B

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?
Madeline B

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.
Do I even want to know what any of this is?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 3 - Kiwi13cubed (1), nolemonplease (9), irwin1138 (10)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Felice AKA Maria

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
So let me get this straight: you're upset with me, because Smug decided to leave the spot for someone who late lynches are more convenient for.
They are for me--this lynch time is in the space between either getting home from work and going to sleep, or getting on the train to go home and getting home when I don't have anything else to do anyway--I don't want to depend on being around at lynch during work because soon I probably will be barely available during work. Today is an exception in that I have an appointment after work, and why I said I won't be around.
This game also has a fair number of players I like playing with, and none/few of the players I don't like playing with.

If Smug had particularly wanted to play, I assumed he would have just signed up--but what I'm getting out of this is that you're annoyed with me for taking the spot just because you really wanted sumg to play? You had plenty of time to ask me to let smug play if that's what you really wanted, but you didn't.
gelrod on the other hand said he wanted to play, and I assumed he meant that late lynches work better for him as well, and I'm not into WW enough to want to take a convenient spot from someone else, but this is the time that works best for me.
If Smug had said he really wanted to play, I would have let him--in fact I still will if he wants to play. But I think it's a little unfair for you to get mad at me just because smug didn't express a strong opinion to play the game, and you wanted him to play, and in any case if that was an issue you had several days before the game started to say that, instead of waiting until the game way partly underway.

The rage-quitting thing was because it seems I have a tendency to find myself with players who are asses to me, and rather curse them out in the thread and risk getting myself banned from BGG by saying things I shouldn't, I choose to replace out. I certainly don't plan to, but it makes me feel better about playing knowing that there is someone who would take my spot if it would happen--the last thing I want to happen is to have to stay in a game where I'm pissed at someone and can't be replaced.

And again, I don't think it's fair to get upset at me for choosing to join a game just because you wanted someone else to join it.

Perhaps I misunderstood how strongly you wanted smug to play, and if you had asked I would have given up my spot to smug, but you didn't say anything about it, and neither did he, so how was I supposed to know that?

I am sorry that I took the spot from Smug that you wanted him to take, but I don't appreciate being made to feel as though I have to justify why I chose to join a game.

(I'm not sure how my tone came up, but I'm not angry or upset, just kind of hurt and feel like I'm not wanted, which is tough for me in WW games where I already don't feel like I fit in. I hope I didn't come off as aggressive, but I just want to point out how your comment made me feel and that I don't particularly appreciate your comment.)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.


Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear


whistle
Madeline B

Felice Si wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
The short answer is "that post, for whatever reason I can't put a finger on." Mostly I want to vote for someone who might be able to respond to it and see what happens, I have nowhere to get started.

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.
Madeline B
kiwi 2197
madeline 2198 cool
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

madelineb wrote:

kiwi 2197
madeline 2198 cool

Yeah but 2198 has ugly factors that have no pattern, like 2, 7, and 157... 13, 13, and 13 is so much cooler
Josh Krehbiel

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.


Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear


whistle


Haha! You fell right into my trap!

I think kiwi is likely good.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Taquelli wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.


Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear


whistle


Haha! You fell right into my trap!

I think kiwi is likely good.

I think so too, as it happens.
on-x

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

So let me get this straight: you're upset with me, because Smug decided to leave the spot for someone who late lynches are more convenient for.
They are for me--this lynch time is in the space between either getting home from work and going to sleep, or getting on the train to go home and getting home when I don't have anything else to do anyway--I don't want to depend on being around at lynch during work because soon I probably will be barely available during work. Today is an exception in that I have an appointment after work, and why I said I won't be around.
This game also has a fair number of players I like playing with, and none/few of the players I don't like playing with.

If Smug had particularly wanted to play, I assumed he would have just signed up--but what I'm getting out of this is that you're annoyed with me for taking the spot just because you really wanted sumg to play? You had plenty of time to ask me to let smug play if that's what you really wanted, but you didn't.
gelrod on the other hand said he wanted to play, and I assumed he meant that late lynches work better for him as well, and I'm not into WW enough to want to take a convenient spot from someone else, but this is the time that works best for me.
If Smug had said he really wanted to play, I would have let him--in fact I still will if he wants to play. But I think it's a little unfair for you to get mad at me just because smug didn't express a strong opinion to play the game, and you wanted him to play, and in any case if that was an issue you had several days before the game started to say that, instead of waiting until the game way partly underway.

The rage-quitting thing was because it seems I have a tendency to find myself with players who are asses to me, and rather curse them out in the thread and risk getting myself banned from BGG by saying things I shouldn't, I choose to replace out. I certainly don't plan to, but it makes me feel better about playing knowing that there is someone who would take my spot if it would happen--the last thing I want to happen is to have to stay in a game where I'm pissed at someone and can't be replaced.

And again, I don't think it's fair to get upset at me for choosing to join a game just because you wanted someone else to join it.

Perhaps I misunderstood how strongly you wanted smug to play, and if you had asked I would have given up my spot to smug, but you didn't say anything about it, and neither did he, so how was I supposed to know that?

I am sorry that I took the spot from Smug that you wanted him to take, but I don't appreciate being made to feel as though I have to justify why I chose to join a game.

(I'm not sure how my tone came up, but I'm not angry or upset, just kind of hurt and feel like I'm not wanted, which is tough for me in WW games where I already don't feel like I fit in. I hope I didn't come off as aggressive, but I just want to point out how your comment made me feel and that I don't particularly appreciate your comment.)
You are somewhat misinterpreting me. Yes, I found it disappointing that you joined after Smug had said he would join tomorrow. It bothers me when someone says they're going to join and then someone else does. I didn't realize the lynch time was of import to you.

However, obviously, the fact that Smug didn't play is not the reason I was upset with you. That'd be silly. It's not about me wanting him to play. As I emphasized in my post, what really bothered me was that in joining you specifically said you would get upset and quit. That, to me, is coming in with a bad attitude, like you don't really even want to play. I've had people do that sort of thing before, or get upset and quit for seemingly small reason, and it can really hurt the game.

As you explained, apparently there's a lot more to your comment than it seemed. I didn't know that was a thing for you. That is (as I mentioned in the disclaimer in my post) a very different situation. In fact, I greatly admire your choice to leave a game rather than further an altercation or put up with abuse you shouldn't have to.

I, like everyone else here I'm sure, am happy to have you here and looking forward to playing the first Random Roles game in some time. I am sorry that you've felt discluded before. I hope you feel welcome here. This roleset specifically has historically been occupied mostly by very welcoming, friendly people.
on-x

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
The short answer is "that post, for whatever reason I can't put a finger on." Mostly I want to vote for someone who might be able to respond to it and see what happens, I have nowhere to get started.

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.
Not meta. Not much to go on. Maybe showing up to a bit of pressure will help there be more activity in this game.
Caitlin
Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.
Paper Luis

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

So let me get this straight: you're upset with me, because Smug decided to leave the spot for someone who late lynches are more convenient for.
They are for me--this lynch time is in the space between either getting home from work and going to sleep, or getting on the train to go home and getting home when I don't have anything else to do anyway--I don't want to depend on being around at lynch during work because soon I probably will be barely available during work. Today is an exception in that I have an appointment after work, and why I said I won't be around.
This game also has a fair number of players I like playing with, and none/few of the players I don't like playing with.

If Smug had particularly wanted to play, I assumed he would have just signed up--but what I'm getting out of this is that you're annoyed with me for taking the spot just because you really wanted sumg to play? You had plenty of time to ask me to let smug play if that's what you really wanted, but you didn't.
gelrod on the other hand said he wanted to play, and I assumed he meant that late lynches work better for him as well, and I'm not into WW enough to want to take a convenient spot from someone else, but this is the time that works best for me.
If Smug had said he really wanted to play, I would have let him--in fact I still will if he wants to play. But I think it's a little unfair for you to get mad at me just because smug didn't express a strong opinion to play the game, and you wanted him to play, and in any case if that was an issue you had several days before the game started to say that, instead of waiting until the game way partly underway.

The rage-quitting thing was because it seems I have a tendency to find myself with players who are asses to me, and rather curse them out in the thread and risk getting myself banned from BGG by saying things I shouldn't, I choose to replace out. I certainly don't plan to, but it makes me feel better about playing knowing that there is someone who would take my spot if it would happen--the last thing I want to happen is to have to stay in a game where I'm pissed at someone and can't be replaced.

And again, I don't think it's fair to get upset at me for choosing to join a game just because you wanted someone else to join it.

Perhaps I misunderstood how strongly you wanted smug to play, and if you had asked I would have given up my spot to smug, but you didn't say anything about it, and neither did he, so how was I supposed to know that?

I am sorry that I took the spot from Smug that you wanted him to take, but I don't appreciate being made to feel as though I have to justify why I chose to join a game.

(I'm not sure how my tone came up, but I'm not angry or upset, just kind of hurt and feel like I'm not wanted, which is tough for me in WW games where I already don't feel like I fit in. I hope I didn't come off as aggressive, but I just want to point out how your comment made me feel and that I don't particularly appreciate your comment.)
Hey, at least me, I'm more than happy to have you around, and it would be a loss if you actually replaced. Enjoy the game with us, and let things aside.
Paper Luis
Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Caitlin
Okay. Well, I'll force some reads out of myself.

I like Madeline's observations on Demo. A plus for each of them.
I like what Taquelli has done so far. Good vibes from him, so plus there.

Scarlett and Rhanddom later.

Currently, trying to form more reads on the following:
kiwi, irwin, Felice, ortho, Paper

Mostly nulls from lack of content. Not as a read on those players, just in general.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?

I'm a little nervous about all these votes on Rhanddom.

[vote Paper] for voting Rhanddom who was in LL after commenting that maybe the people in LL aren't wolves (or really just because I don't know where to go)
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Rhanddom - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9), irwin1138 (10)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?

I imagine that if you feel like "the evil team is sitting happy because none of them are getting lynched", then you would suspect Rhanddom is a mislynch.

[Vote Paper]
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?

neither of these took, because Scarlett's nickname has two Ts, and you misspelled Rhanddom
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12), nolemonplease (13)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Paper Luis

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.
on-x
Felice, I believe you have stated in the past that you don't meta vote,
but do you have a vote you want to make now (two and a half hours to lynch)?
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.
Your post didn't seem to have been made with attention to the tally, just...like, the "not voting" line? Or not even all of that.
Joseph Reissmann

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.
I'm somewhat opposed to delaying. I don't think that the game starting this weekend should have been a surprise to anyone. It does seem,though, that delaying may be a popular option. If enough people who are actively participating let me know, either in thread or through mod chat, that they want to push it back a day, I will.
Felice AKA Maria

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.


Sure. But why vote Scarlett, who said she was sick today, and Rhanddom who is totally MIA and also in LL?
on-x
Maybe this time is a bit worse, but, as I recall, people not posting much until
the last few hours before lynch is pretty common in random roles games.
Felice AKA Maria

irwin1138 wrote:

Felice, I believe you have stated in the past that you don't meta vote,
but do you have a vote you want to make now (two and a half hours to lynch)?


Yeah, as so often happens I'll be thinking about voting someone and then others come in and vote them first. wow

I was thinking earlier that maybe I'd start off with paper because he was around and playing the Hi game but had not come here yet. Then he posted as he did and gained some votes. Now I'm trying to decide who else I might like to see higher in the tally.
Paper Luis

Felice Si wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.


Sure. But why vote Scarlett, who said she was sick today, and Rhanddom who is totally MIA and also in LL?
My votes were all random.
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

My votes were all random.

You randomly voted Scarlett, and then also randomly voted Rhanddom in the same post?
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.


Sure. But why vote Scarlett, who said she was sick today, and Rhanddom who is totally MIA and also in LL?
My votes were all random.
Did the first sentence of your post have anything to do with the second?
Felice AKA Maria
I could try a vote ortho_ Where are you ortho?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

My votes were all random.

You randomly voted Scarlett, and then also randomly voted Rhanddom in the same post?

After suggesting you thought Rhanddom was a mislynch?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12), nolemonplease (13)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
ortho_ - 2 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.


Sure. But why vote Scarlett, who said she was sick today, and Rhanddom who is totally MIA and also in LL?
My votes were all random.
But they were listed directly after your comment about the wolves not being in lynch danger.
It's weird to combine this comment with a vote that conflicts with it and a (currently) seemingly irrelevant vote.
Paper Luis
Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.
Josh Krehbiel

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.


I have done this exact thing as good like maybe half a dozen times. PaperF is frequently mislynched, if I remember correctly, so I'm giving a pass on this.
Madeline B
Paper, where do you want your vote right now?
Cassandra Project
We are looking for a player to replace Rhanddom. Please go to http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462... to replace the player.
Felice AKA Maria

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.


Come on Paper, no one is calling you stupid. We know you are not. We think you might be evil and that's what the game is all about.

We're pointing out the inconsistency of you saying that evil was content with the tally but then voting the person in lynch lead. You have to admit that is inconsistent.

irwin1138 wrote:

Felice, I believe you have stated in the past that you don't meta vote,
but do you have a vote you want to make now (two and a half hours to lynch)?


Is your vote on Rhanddom real, or an extended meta?
Joseph Reissmann

Cassandra Project wrote:

We are looking for a player to replace Rhanddom. Please go to http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462... to replace the player.
Cassy doesn't seem to be posting it so I will. Gelrod has replaced Rhanddom.
on-x
Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12), nolemonplease (13)
ortho_ - 3 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Rhanddom - 0 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10)
Not voting: Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

Nessus77 wrote:

Cassandra Project wrote:

We are looking for a player to replace Rhanddom. Please go to http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462... to replace the player.
Cassy doesn't seem to be posting it so I will. Gelrod has replaced Rhanddom.

Can you also post replace Rhanddom with gelrod please?

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


I was playing another game, and then I made dinner. Here now.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

gelrod wrote:

Sup kids. I'm replacing in for Rhanddom.

oh hey. [vote gelrod][vote Rhanddom]
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Sup kids. I'm replacing in for Rhanddom.

oh hey. [vote gelrod][vote Rhanddom]


Bad votes are bad.

kiss

gelrod wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


I was playing another game, and then I made dinner. Here now.


I'm going to lynch you, ortho.


Why?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 3 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Felice, I believe you have stated in the past that you don't meta vote,
but do you have a vote you want to make now (two and a half hours to lynch)?


Is your vote on Rhanddom real, or an extended meta?
Nice crosspost. I already answered this when madelineb commented on it.

irwin1138 wrote:

madelineb wrote:

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.

Not meta. Not much to go on. Maybe showing up to a bit of pressure will help there be more activity in this game.
Madeline B

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Sup kids. I'm replacing in for Rhanddom.

oh hey. [vote gelrod][vote Rhanddom]
Do we get reasons?
Joseph Reissmann

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Nessus77 wrote:

Cassandra Project wrote:

We are looking for a player to replace Rhanddom. Please go to http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/game/1462... to replace the player.
Cassy doesn't seem to be posting it so I will. Gelrod has replaced Rhanddom.

Can you also post replace Rhanddom with gelrod please?
replace Rhanddom with gelrod
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

It's fine. I was (we were?) trying to figure out where your head is at. Was primarily interested in what you had to say about it.

My feeling about it was (provided you are good and being genuine) that you thought "Hm, the wolves are probably content and quiet" and voted those you thought were most quiet.
Kiwi's ModBot
gelrod has replaced Rhanddom.

Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 3 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, gelrod

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

It's fine. I was (we were?) trying to figure out where your head is at. Was primarily interested in what you had to say about it.

My feeling about it was (provided you are good and being genuine) that you thought "Hm, the wolves are probably content and quiet" and voted those you thought were most quiet.


Lemon is probably evil.

Probably.

NOT.
Madeline B
Fourth votes are the new third votes.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

madelineb wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Sup kids. I'm replacing in for Rhanddom.

oh hey. [vote gelrod][vote Rhanddom]
Do we get reasons?

I moved off Rhanddom because there wasn't anything to go on and I didn't like him having four votes.

Now that gelrod replaced in, I see he has no votes, and want to hear him talk a little.

Though it's approaching the point at which I'm going to have to go, but I don't know where I want my vote to end. Probably not on Caitlin, but no one has struck me as particularly worthy of a vote.

Actually, demo hasn't annoyed me yet and made me want to lynch him--he usually does and he's usually good. So maybe I should vote for him, but... I want to hear gelrod claim tinker first
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 4 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?
Felice AKA Maria

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

It's fine. I was (we were?) trying to figure out where your head is at. Was primarily interested in what you had to say about it.

My feeling about it was (provided you are good and being genuine) that you thought "Hm, the wolves are probably content and quiet" and voted those you thought were most quiet.


That makes sense.
Joseph Reissmann

Nessus77 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.
I'm somewhat opposed to delaying. I don't think that the game starting this weekend should have been a surprise to anyone. It does seem,though, that delaying may be a popular option. If enough people who are actively participating let me know, either in thread or through mod chat, that they want to push it back a day, I will.
I'm not seeing enough interest in delaying so we'll proceed as scheduled.
Caitlin

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Fourth votes are the new third votes.


Madeline is also evil.

Selling out your wolf buddies after replacing in again?
Caitlin
Wait! Dangit. I should have said, "That's for me to know and for you to find out."

No, I don't have a read yet.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?

At a guess I'd say ortho, since he's the one who asked.
on-x

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?
Apparently, ortho_.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

Wait! Dangit. I should have said, "That's for me to know and for you to find out."

No, I don't have a read yet.

Scary!
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

irwin1138 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?
Apparently, ortho_.

irwin 1138
kiwi 1139?
Madeline B

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Fourth votes are the new third votes.


Madeline is also evil.

Selling out your wolf buddies after replacing in again?
Do you read me as suspicious, independently?

For what it's worth, I'm not.
Caitlin

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?

At a guess I'd say ortho, since he's the one who asked.

Yeah. My being silly doesn't quite match up with logic.

on-x

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?
Youtube Video
[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 4 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Felice AKA Maria

nolemonplease wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?

At a guess I'd say ortho, since he's the one who asked.

Yeah. My being silly doesn't quite match up with logic.



I laughed.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

madelineb wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Fourth votes are the new third votes.


Madeline is also evil.

Selling out your wolf buddies after replacing in again?
Do you read me as suspicious, independently?

For what it's worth, I'm not.

Well, you look suspicious of Paper, or at least were, and appear to be a little suspicious of me. So yes whistle

but no, you haven't done anything I think particularly deserving of suspicion.
fwiw, I don't read all that much into the PaperF Rhanddom vote. I think PaperF does stuff like that from time to time - I've certainly seen him be misunderstood as good more than once.

PaperF, do you have any reads at this point?
Madeline B

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Fourth votes are the new third votes.


Madeline is also evil.

Selling out your wolf buddies after replacing in again?
Do you read me as suspicious, independently?

For what it's worth, I'm not.

Well, you look suspicious of Paper, or at least were, and appear to be a little suspicious of me. So yes whistle

but no, you haven't done anything I think particularly deserving of suspicion.
And you voting for Paper was what?
Felice AKA Maria

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?

Who wants to know?

At a guess I'd say ortho, since he's the one who asked.

Yeah. My being silly doesn't quite match up with logic.



I laughed.


Nope. It's felice. Number four is felice.


Are you and Jared on a party line? "It's felice." "Felice's evil."

gelrod wrote:

So lemon/ortho/Madeline. I think I need at least one more?


Gelrod, not sure how serious you're being (probably not at all), but just in case you replaced in without full knowledge of the role set, in the RR games, there are either 3 or 4 evils. There is a swing slot that either has a GS or an aux from game to game. So we might have a 3 or 4 player evil team.
Caitlin

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So lemon/ortho/Madeline. I think I need at least one more?


Gelrod, not sure how serious you're being (probably not at all), but just in case you replaced in without full knowledge of the role set, in the RR games, there are either 3 or 4 evils. There is a swing slot that either has a GS or an aux from game to game. So we might have a 3 or 4 player evil team.

gelrod has played this set before. Your memories don't seem to be as painful as mine. :angry:
Also, I kind of hate to offer this read given that he's vowed to lynch me, but I usually associate the gelrod who seems not to care about anyone understanding what he's doing as good!gelrod vs. more reasonable sounding gelrod = evil!gelrod.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So lemon/ortho/Madeline. I think I need at least one more?


Gelrod, not sure how serious you're being (probably not at all), but just in case you replaced in without full knowledge of the role set, in the RR games, there are either 3 or 4 evils. There is a swing slot that either has a GS or an aux from game to game. So we might have a 3 or 4 player evil team.

gelrod has played this set before. Your memories don't seem to be as painful as mine. angry

Poor Mimic!Caitlin... devil

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So lemon/ortho/Madeline. I think I need at least one more?


Gelrod, not sure how serious you're being (probably not at all), but just in case you replaced in without full knowledge of the role set, in the RR games, there are either 3 or 4 evils. There is a swing slot that either has a GS or an aux from game to game. So we might have a 3 or 4 player evil team.

gelrod has played this set before. Your memories don't seem to be as painful as mine. angry


Oh, are you talking about that game where I was the wolf cub? I thought the wolf team was Scarlett/Jared? Was it gelrod and not Jared?
Karafruit Villager-Thrower
I'm gonna go for my appointment now.

Content with leaving my vote on gelrod, I guess. Don't really know where else to put it.

I might have a little bit of time to check in right before lynch, but I'm not going to put myself under the pressure to try to do so.
Karafruit Villager-Thrower

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So lemon/ortho/Madeline. I think I need at least one more?


Gelrod, not sure how serious you're being (probably not at all), but just in case you replaced in without full knowledge of the role set, in the RR games, there are either 3 or 4 evils. There is a swing slot that either has a GS or an aux from game to game. So we might have a 3 or 4 player evil team.

gelrod has played this set before. Your memories don't seem to be as painful as mine. angry



You're the mimic.
Maybe she won't have to reveal as it this time
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I'm gonna go for my appointment now.

Content with leaving my vote on gelrod, I guess. Don't really know where else to put it.

I might have a little bit of time to check in right before lynch, but I'm not going to put myself under the pressure to try to do so.


Hmm. I think you're good, kiwi. I mean, alignment-wise...not necessarily judgement-wise.
The signal-to-noise ratio is weird. But probably not interested in pressuring now.
Caitlin
You interested in sharing reasons for your reads? I have a hard time paying attention to lists of names.
Caitlin
Paper - your vote didn't take and is still sitting on ortho.

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


You did all the work for everyone. What's there to talk about?



Assuming you're being halfway serious about your reads -


Madeline - I mentioned having kind of a tone thing that reminds me of evil her from Ender's Game. I also wonder about her reaction to PaperF's vote and the huge flap (well, for this game) surrounding it.

nolemon - Probably the only weird thing for me is her not having a read on Felice yet. I remember a game where good!nolemon was calling Felice as good after literally 2 meta-ish posts.

Felice - I have no judgement here yet. Nothing that looks bad, other than the vote on me.
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


You did all the work for everyone. What's there to talk about?



Assuming you're being halfway serious about your reads -


Madeline - I mentioned having kind of a tone thing that reminds me of evil her from Ender's Game. I also wonder about her reaction to PaperF's vote and the huge flap (well, for this game) surrounding it.

nolemon - Probably the only weird thing for me is her not having a read on Felice yet. I remember a game where good!nolemon was calling Felice as good after literally 2 meta-ish posts.

Felice - I have no judgement here yet. Nothing that looks bad, other than the vote on me.
What do you wonder about my reaction? I read it as inattentive and, of itself, suspicious but not 100% so, so I was fine with him getting pushed into lead but didn't feel the need to add onto the tally (which is kind of how I've felt about most of the leaders). I then thought it was weird that he didn't move his vote after seeing everything shake down, so I asked him about it then, to no response.
Josh Krehbiel

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


Can we not throw the word 'outed' around when all we have is your hearsay after being in the game at most an hour?

ortho_ wrote:


Madeline - I mentioned having kind of a tone thing that reminds me of evil her from Ender's Game. I also wonder about her reaction to PaperF's vote and the huge flap (well, for this game) surrounding it.


I realize I didn't specify what made me wonder about her reaction. PaperF is vulnerable to mislynch, and what he posted was undeniably kind of hard to reconcile. Level 1 is for the wolves to jump on him with votes and try to run him up. Next level would be to stoke the flames by interrogating him without throwing the vote in there, which allows you to back out of it doesn't take, and not have your vote attached if he were to be mislynched and flip good.

Obviously, that's all predicated on good!PaperF, but if he's good, I'd be looking at that whole swirl of interaction.
Crosspost!

gelrod wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


You did all the work for everyone. What's there to talk about?



Assuming you're being halfway serious about your reads -


Madeline - I mentioned having kind of a tone thing that reminds me of evil her from Ender's Game. I also wonder about her reaction to PaperF's vote and the huge flap (well, for this game) surrounding it.

nolemon - Probably the only weird thing for me is her not having a read on Felice yet. I remember a game where good!nolemon was calling Felice as good after literally 2 meta-ish posts.

Felice - I have no judgement here yet. Nothing that looks bad, other than the vote on me.


Madeline and Lemon are weird. You I want lynched for other reasons. Felice is the new Sarah, so she's evil. That's about that.


Is it because you were reading me as good in the Iron 9er game 1 and I turned out to be evil?
Caitlin

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon - Probably the only weird thing for me is her not having a read on Felice yet. I remember a game where good!nolemon was calling Felice as good after literally 2 meta-ish posts.

Yeah. Sometimes I can catch good vibes from her immediately. Sometimes it's not that clear. That one game was probably the quickest I've ever gotten a read on her, though.
Madeline B

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12), nolemonplease (13)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Here is the high-water mark of the Paper run, I think. As well as myself, irwin and Felice were also questioning him and/thumbing similar questions.

Gelrod and/or ortho, any sense of who could be evil from this tally?
Josh Krehbiel

gelrod wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


Can we not throw the word 'outed' around when all we have is your hearsay after being in the game at most an hour?


Somebody's cranky. Also way utr. I think Taq is bad. Felice moved up the list from evil to shady.


What? Me? UTR? Come on, I've said way more than usual. Also, I'm just not interested in being gelramrodded into voting a certain way. Yes, I agree that Paper is a bad vote, but I'm not declaring three other people to be evil, definitely, just because, to try to get people to look elsewhere.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

I'd be happy to move to Madeline or Taq I think. Lemon is evil but I can't be trusted with her so...yah, best wait another day to solidify my read there.
Taq being quiet and skeptical of your tone seems extremely typical for himself, and people listening to you, respectively.

I didn't read him as particularly good or bad either way from his first few posts; the later comment about Paper seemed good from him.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

gelrod wrote:

I'd be happy to move to Madeline or Taq I think. Lemon is evil but I can't be trusted with her so...yah, best wait another day to solidify my read there.
Taq being quiet and skeptical of your tone seems extremely typical for himself, and people listening to you, respectively.

I didn't read him as particularly good or bad either way from his first few posts; the later comment about Paper seemed good from him.


Soft defense on day one?

I want to lynch Madeline. I think we get lots of info there.
Playstyle familiarity points of reference like every other page? Lemon was reading Taq as good from less, which I felt was weird.

No evil connections to be found from me.
Josh Krehbiel
[vote ortho_] He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.

madelineb wrote:

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5), Kiwi13cubed (12), nolemonplease (13)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6), madelineb (11)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Rhanddom - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, Rhanddom, Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
Rhanddom - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Here is the high-water mark of the Paper run, I think. As well as myself, irwin and Felice were also questioning him and/thumbing similar questions.

Gelrod and/or ortho, any sense of who could be evil from this tally?


Well, like I mentioned earlier, I don't think it's necessarily about wolves voting for PaperF in that situation. My suspicion of you centers on the idea that you may have been stoking the fire without voting there yourself.


Of the voters, I was a meta on PaperF and wasn't there when the furor was going on, and I would kind of suspect that nolemon would be a little wary about jumping on there if she were evil.

Kiwi would be my best bet for a wolf voting PaperF just based on how I remember it going down. She was quick to make the vote and question his seeming inconsistency.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 5 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17), Taquelli (19)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.


What? My metavote was PaperF.
Caitlin
[Unvote all]

I don't know where I want to vote. My current vote isn't really a real vote.
I had planned to be here for the lynch hour to be able to nail down my reads.

Something just came up and I can't guarantee I'm going to be here. I have about 15 minutes left that I'll be here for sure.

I'll try to check in as I can. And see if I can find a place for a real vote.

Kinda liking ortho at the moment. Don't like him at the top of the tally.
Don't want to lynch gelrod today.
I don't support a lynch on Taq.

Would prefer to see Madeline another day.
David Morcerf

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

It occurs to me that I'm going to be unavailable for about an hour and a half before lynch up to lynch today.

So the rabbit's clock runs short. [vote kiwi]

The prettier the flower, the farther from the path.

If no one ever sees a flower, can it ever be called pretty?
Josh Krehbiel

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.


What? My metavote was PaperF.


Which I MISSED you moving from because that same vote from like a hour ago keeps popping up the ziggurats. Sorry sorry. [unvote]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 4 - PaperF (3), Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17), Taquelli (19)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, Taquelli

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Josh Krehbiel

DeMorcerf wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

It occurs to me that I'm going to be unavailable for about an hour and a half before lynch up to lynch today.

So the rabbit's clock runs short. [vote kiwi]

The prettier the flower, the farther from the path.

If no one ever sees a flower, can it ever be called pretty?


Oh right you were doing this RP thing. Demo is RPing everyone!

gelrod wrote:

What time is lynch?

Like, it's looking like ortho is a mislynch or we've got some bussing going on. I don't really care. Ortho needs to die.


I'm going to be super pissed if this 'ortho needs to die' thing is an evil play, because I'll admit it's in my head a little bit. In the sense that I'm wondering if it's messing with my read of you a little bit.

Will you tell me what the deal is after the game?
David Morcerf

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?

Feel less pale soon -- but not too scarlet either.
David Morcerf

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
~5 hours.

I have nothing to go on right now. Demo's stuff, such as it is, strikes me as not pushing an agenda, so tiny plus to him for trying to participate.

What good is a man without an agenda though? I'll try to find one soon.

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.


What? My metavote was PaperF.


Which I MISSED you moving from because that same vote from like a hour ago keeps popping up the ziggurats. Sorry sorry. [unvote]


So have you not been reading the posts where I've been in effect defending PaperF, or at least positing that he might very well be good? How could you think I was voting PaperF while I was saying what I was saying?

Or was that why you were voting me?
Felice AKA Maria

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.
David Morcerf

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

Is this your riddle: What's the point of any votes on Rhanddom before he shows?
Josh Krehbiel

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.


What? My metavote was PaperF.


Which I MISSED you moving from because that same vote from like a hour ago keeps popping up the ziggurats. Sorry sorry. [unvote]


So have you not been reading the posts where I've been in effect defending PaperF, or at least positing that he might very well be good? How could you think I was voting PaperF while I was saying what I was saying?

Or was that why you were voting me?


Yeah, which read really weird when I was assuming you were still voting for him. You can imagine my confusion.
David Morcerf

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear

Kiwi's riddle: what's a kiwi that waits to soft claim seer instead of claiming harder in first post?
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.
We might not have a mislynch available on D2.

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.[/BGCOLOR]


What? My metavote was PaperF.


Which I MISSED you moving from because that same vote from like a hour ago keeps popping up the ziggurats. Sorry sorry. [unvote]


So have you not been reading the posts where I've been in effect defending PaperF, or at least positing that he might very well be good? How could you think I was voting PaperF while I was saying what I was saying?

Or was that why you were voting me?


Yeah, which read really weird when I was assuming you were still voting for him. You can imagine my confusion.


But you said I was going through a lot of effort to stick with my (presumed) PaperF vote. While you were reading posts where I was calling Madeline possible evil for soft pushing PaperF's mislynch?

What am I missing?
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!
Rhanddom, eh? ...O'tay. vote Rhanddom. Sup?

Not just you, darling. But why do so many people choose to threaten those who can't hear instead of those they are currently talking to?
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.

Except for we could be at must lynch tomorrow.
Josh Krehbiel

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote ortho_] [BGCOLOR=#00CC00]He is going through a lot of effort to just stick to his metavote.[/BGCOLOR]


What? My metavote was PaperF.


Which I MISSED you moving from because that same vote from like a hour ago keeps popping up the ziggurats. Sorry sorry. [unvote]


So have you not been reading the posts where I've been in effect defending PaperF, or at least positing that he might very well be good? How could you think I was voting PaperF while I was saying what I was saying?

Or was that why you were voting me?


Yeah, which read really weird when I was assuming you were still voting for him. You can imagine my confusion.


But you said I was going through a lot of effort to stick with my (presumed) PaperF vote. While you were reading posts where I was calling Madeline possible evil for soft pushing PaperF's mislynch?

What am I missing?


The part where I read like the last five posts at the time, completely missing your move to madelaine, and you just talked about how it is good and proper to vote for PaperF, because that's how you catch wolves or something. I've mentioned I'm really awful at logic, right?
Joseph Reissmann
As I said here:

Nessus77 wrote:

Please try to pay attention to make sure that your votes are accepted by modkiwi. It'll really help me if the tally it provides at lynch is accurate. However, I do know how crazy lynch chaos can be. The lynch will be determined by my interpretation of everyone's intentions and not necessarily the final tally provided by modkiwi. Late votes, however, will still be too late.
I'm going to try to keep the votes where I think they're intended. This is the last vote I see from PaperF:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
It has a typo so it didn't take. I'm hopefully fixing it here. [{PaperF} vote gelrod]
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 3 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17), Taquelli (19)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Kiwi13cubed - 1 - DeMorcerf (8)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, Taquelli

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
~5 hours.

I have nothing to go on right now. Demo's stuff, such as it is, strikes me as not pushing an agenda, so tiny plus to him for trying to participate.
When I first read your post I thought it was premature, based on the fact that there're next to no posts to go by.
But then I realized that, given the level of participation, actually that's a great point and I'm inclined to agree.

No, I'm evil as they come. Dark and cold hearted.

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.

Except for we could be at must lynch tomorrow.


Really? Must lynch on d2?


See, gelrod DID come into the game needing info on the role set.

There could be 2 auxes + 2 wolves. 11 to start. Mislynch/good killed. Mislynch/good killed. 7 players alive. Evil has voting majority.
David Morcerf

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?

My riddle: can I play this right now while simultaneously watching The Walking Dead?
Josh Krehbiel

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.

Except for we could be at must lynch tomorrow.


Really? Must lynch on d2?


See, gelrod DID come into the game needing info on the role set.

There could be 2 auxes + 2 wolves. 11 to start. Mislynch/good killed. Mislynch/good killed. 7 players alive. Evil has voting majority.


A risky mislynch. Evil would all have to out themselves D3, and if they are wrong? Bye bye, Evil.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 2 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Kiwi13cubed - 2 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
madelineb - 1 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, Taquelli

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Josh Krehbiel

gelrod wrote:

[vote kiwi]

Really want to kill ortho d1 but this'll have to do.


I missed something.

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.

Except for we could be at must lynch tomorrow.


Really? Must lynch on d2?


See, gelrod DID come into the game needing info on the role set.

There could be 2 auxes + 2 wolves. 11 to start. Mislynch/good killed. Mislynch/good killed. 7 players alive. Evil has voting majority.


A risky mislynch. Evil would all have to out themselves D3, and if they are wrong? Bye bye, Evil.


Yeah, just because there are [BGCOLOR=#00CC00] 4 2[/BGCOLOR] auxes doesn't mean they're definitely going to out themselves and take control outright. But it still seems like pretty terrible odds of a good D3 lynch when 4 out of 7 players are trying to lynch a townsperson.[BGCOLOR=#00CC00]


Edit in green - 4 auxes![/BGCOLOR]
David Morcerf

Taquelli wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?


I'm just waiting for someone to soft claim so I can jump down their throat.


Kiwi13cubed wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!

aaaah! yeah! they are scary!

I wonder if Rhanddom is a wolf yet again.

shame he wasn't my clear


whistle


Haha! You fell right into my trap!

I think kiwi is likely good.

Why? You saw kiwi claim before or after you said that?
Riddle: what about Madeline pointing it out to you?
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

gelrod wrote:

[vote kiwi]

Really want to kill ortho d1 but this'll have to do.


I missed something.


Joking aside, demo pointed out a post that mixed with kiwi's meta and actions today lead me to believe kiwi is almost certainly evil. I've not actually seen kiwi evil yet but I'm willing to bet this is what it looks like.
Demo (or anyone else more familiar with kiwi's meta), please weigh in when you're caught up. I know I said whatever, but I'd rather see kiwi than (for instance) gelrod on top from this.
David Morcerf

gelrod wrote:

FYI, I don't know if it has been discussed yet but if we have masons I think they need to claim today.

What are masons that don't claim on D1? The answer: suboptimal.
Josh Krehbiel

DeMorcerf wrote:


Why? You saw kiwi claim before or after you said that?
Riddle: what about Madeline pointing it out to you?


I said this after. Again, the trap. Madeline is neutral for pointing it out, either alignment would do that. But a good is more likely to demand to be voted than an evil, IMO.
on-x

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

You know what is scary, though? Werewolves!

[Vote Rhanddom]!
Rhanddom, eh? ...O'tay. vote Rhanddom. Sup?

Not just you, darling. But why do so many people choose to threaten those who can't hear instead of those they are currently talking to?
T'weren't many posts yet at this point. One would have assumed he'd be along soon.
David Morcerf

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?
on-x

Taquelli wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Paper isn't evil, he's just quiet. It's like none of you have seen wolves drive a paper mislynch before. Voting paper on d1 might as well be up there with "what's the case" and "impact votes".


That assumes he'll never actually be evil.


I'll move to felice.

Here's the thing about paper. He doesn't talk much, so you look elsewhere d1. Then you lynch the shit out of him d2 while you still have a mislynch yet if he's not been viewed by a seer by then. Paper is easy to solve.

Except for we could be at must lynch tomorrow.


Really? Must lynch on d2?


See, gelrod DID come into the game needing info on the role set.

There could be 2 auxes + 2 wolves. 11 to start. Mislynch/good killed. Mislynch/good killed. 7 players alive. Evil has voting majority.


A risky mislynch. Evil would all have to out themselves D3, and if they are wrong? Bye bye, Evil.
Sorcerer would have it solved. Cub could be pretty sure. As could mimic.

edit: Forgot to add last sentence.
on-x

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Fourth votes are the new third votes.


Madeline is also evil.

Selling out your wolf buddies after replacing in again?
Do you read me as suspicious, independently?

For what it's worth, I'm not.

Well, you look suspicious of Paper, or at least were, and appear to be a little suspicious of me. So yes whistle

but no, you haven't done anything I think particularly deserving of suspicion.
Are you saying there's something wrong with being suspicious of paper?
Are you suddenly reading paper as good even though you were part of the jump on him?

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


Irwin, your vote for me was essentially a summoning vote, at least the way I took it. Do you think I'm evil?
Same question goes for Felice.
David Morcerf

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.

Riddle: why does evil do anything?
You could have tried voting someone around to get something to see. You can't see the path if you don't try to clear it.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

What time is lynch?
Top of the hour.
Madeline B
And I have no idea. I don't like voting alongside people whose rationales I don't understand and/or don't seem applicable at present, which (as ortho points out) appears to be most of the votes for the leaders.
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:

Maybe this time is a bit worse, but, as I recall, people not posting much until
the last few hours before lynch is pretty common in random roles games.

Is it? It seems pretty late to me, Alice.
David Morcerf

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

I've never seen a Paper have such depth of emotion in reaction. What does it mean? I have no idea.
on-x

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Maybe this time is a bit worse, but, as I recall, people not posting much until
the last few hours before lynch is pretty common in random roles games.

Is it? It seems pretty late to me, Alice.
Is that not what I'm saying in that this time may be worse?
on-x

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


Irwin, your vote for me was essentially a summoning vote, at least the way I took it. Do you think I'm evil?
No, not so much anymore. If not obvious from my recent posts, I was afk for a bit (stepped out to the taqueria. mmm.) and just got caught up.
I'm tempted to vote kiwi, but it really annoys me when someone who announces they have to leave for the night gets run up. Then we don't even get to see what they would claim.
... vote Felice?
Out of gelrod, myself, and kiwi, I prefer kiwi here. Gelrod, I'm reading somewhat well, and I can see a world where evil!kiwi jumps at a PaperF mislynch.

vote kiwi
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?

What was the point of voting Rhanddom if you're going to move off as soon as that seat is present? What a riddle.

irwin1138 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


Irwin, your vote for me was essentially a summoning vote, at least the way I took it. Do you think I'm evil?
No, not so much anymore. If not obvious from my recent posts, I was afk for a bit (stepped out to the taqueria. mmm.) and just got caught up.
I'm tempted to vote kiwi, but it really annoys me when someone who announces they have to leave for the night gets run up. Then we don't even get to see what they would claim.
...vote Felice?


Yeah, I don't really like lynching AFKs. My vote just now had a tinge of self preservation to it. Or at least having limited choices. Kiwi did say that she might be able to check in later, so it's not 100% that she'll be AFK through lynch.

Why are you voting Felice?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 3 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22)
ortho_ - 2 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15), gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, Taquelli

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Madeline B
Votes on Felice Si need to be spelled out all the way to take.
on-x

irwin1138 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


Irwin, your vote for me was essentially a summoning vote, at least the way I took it. Do you think I'm evil?
No, not so much anymore. If not obvious from my recent posts, I was afk for a bit (stepped out to the taqueria. mmm.) and just got caught up.
I'm tempted to vote kiwi, but it really annoys me when someone who announces they have to leave for the night gets run up. Then we don't even get to see what they would claim.
...vote Felice?
Apparently, that nickname is not in place. My mistake. vote Felice Si
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 3 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O, Taquelli

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
David Morcerf

gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Sup kids. I'm replacing in for Rhanddom.

oh hey. [vote gelrod][vote Rhanddom]


Bad votes are bad.

Now Alice, technically only 1 vote.
Why is paperF voting gelrod again? Is that still the Rhanddom vote that caused all the hullabaloo?
Felice AKA Maria

ortho_ wrote:

Same question goes for Felice.


I wouldn't say my vote on you was just a summoning vote Ortho. It was based on process of elimination first of who I didn't want to vote, which included paper, who I'd planned to vote until he made that post and gathered enough votes to take the lead; add in a little suspicion of you due to you not making an appearance in the game yet. Yes, I know you're in the HI game too but that was also factored in.

I'd kind of like to vote kiwi now but she's already said she's afk leading up to lynch today. So I'm up in the air at the moment.
Josh Krehbiel

gelrod wrote:

Can we run kiwi up? I feel like there has been resistance there.

Also, what I believe demo was pointing out whether he meant to or not is that kiwi always opens with a seer claim. Her claim this time was weak and forced. Not lighthearted and jokey. Even when she's been a seer, she jumps in with the heavy "I'm a seer, nk me, bitches." This is the first game I've ever seen her be so weak and timid about it. It's a rookie mistake when it comes to being evil. It's hard to mimic your good play but you feel like you need to. You don't want to do something stupid because your team is much smaller and it does more damage if you screw up than if you're part of the bigger village.

Kiwi is evil.

Kiwi also sees me being nuts, figures I'll be run up because of it, and tries to get in early without real explanation.

Evil.


...I'm going to follow you on this, and I promise not to hold it against you if you are wrong. My intuition is a bit basic, and this is a more persuasive argument. [vote kiwi]
Yeah, apparently it is. PaperF, are you going to come back to the game during D1?
on-x

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?

What was the point of voting Rhanddom if you're going to move off as soon as that seat is present? What a riddle.
What? I followed Caitlin onto Rhanddom when few were talking.
Voting for gelrod before he even said anything would have made no sense.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
PaperF - 1 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13)
ortho_ - 1 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14), irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Josh Krehbiel

ortho_ wrote:

Why is paperF voting gelrod again? Is that still the Rhanddom vote that caused all the hullabaloo?


This was PaperF's last vote, which Nessus corrected a small bit ago, even before Gelrod tagged in.
David Morcerf

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

It's fine. I was (we were?) trying to figure out where your head is at. Was primarily interested in what you had to say about it.

My feeling about it was (provided you are good and being genuine) that you thought "Hm, the wolves are probably content and quiet" and voted those you thought were most quiet.

Riddle: this post is really hard to parse. Why are you garbled?
//
Really? I thought your reaction was thinking he was evil?
Josh Krehbiel
Madeline I want to know what part of my post you liked. Was it the vote on Kiwi or the part where I admit I'm wrong a lot?

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
The short answer is "that post, for whatever reason I can't put a finger on." Mostly I want to vote for someone who might be able to respond to it and see what happens, I have nowhere to get started.

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.


Madeline, are you still liking the Felice vote?
David Morcerf

irwin1138 wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?

What was the point of voting Rhanddom if you're going to move off as soon as that seat is present? What a riddle.
What? I followed Caitlin onto Rhanddom when few were talking.
Voting for gelrod before he even said anything would have made no sense.

But voting for Rhanddom before he even said anything would make sense? Now I think my mind is going even madder, Alice.
Madeline B

Taquelli wrote:

Madeline I want to know what part of my post you liked. Was it the vote on Kiwi or the part where I admit I'm wrong a lot?
kiwi pressure and the part where you say you won't immediately round on gelrod if it's wrong; I don't care how often you admit you're wrong
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
The short answer is "that post, for whatever reason I can't put a finger on." Mostly I want to vote for someone who might be able to respond to it and see what happens, I have nowhere to get started.

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.


Madeline, are you still liking the Felice vote?
Sort of, yeah, mostly in an "as opposed to" sense. I like the kiwi pressure a lot. I don't feel like I have a strong ability to read there. I don't like votes on gelrod.
on-x

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?


Irwin, your vote for me was essentially a summoning vote, at least the way I took it. Do you think I'm evil?
No, not so much anymore. If not obvious from my recent posts, I was afk for a bit (stepped out to the taqueria. mmm.) and just got caught up.
I'm tempted to vote kiwi, but it really annoys me when someone who announces they have to leave for the night gets run up. Then we don't even get to see what they would claim.
...vote Felice?


Yeah, I don't really like lynching AFKs. My vote just now had a tinge of self preservation to it. Or at least having limited choices. Kiwi did say that she might be able to check in later, so it's not 100% that she'll be AFK through lynch.

Why are you voting Felice?
I'm not entirely set on her, but lacking on other options.
Scarlett has not shown up yet.
gelrod is wild and crazy but seems on point.
I'm leaning better on you.
Paper has lost traction and has been defended.
Madeline B

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Sorry to be so late to the game. I was in the D1 of Hi 113 and am now having some dinner since that just had first dusk. I will be around tonight. (I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time.)

Things are still extremely quiet. There are, I think, four of us who are in Hi 113. Are others in other games too?
I definitely can't play simultaneous games so this is it for me.

vote felice si?


What makes you want to vote me?
The short answer is "that post, for whatever reason I can't put a finger on." Mostly I want to vote for someone who might be able to respond to it and see what happens, I have nowhere to get started.

irwin's continuing-meta(?) vote on Rhanddom I didn't think was great, but she sounded genuine in a couple posts after that.


Madeline, are you still liking the Felice vote?
Sort of, yeah, mostly in an "as opposed to" sense. I like the kiwi pressure a lot. I don't feel like I have a strong ability to read there. I don't like votes on gelrod.
Missing a sentence or two here--I don't feel like I need to be an extra vote on kiwi with this tally, and wasn't confident in my read to vote there afk, but I'm in favor of the runup overall.
on-x

ortho_ wrote:

Why is paperF voting gelrod again? Is that still the Rhanddom vote that caused all the hullabaloo?

gelrod wrote:

Paper why are you voting me now? Aux evil?
Paper left his vote on Rhanddom. Nessus fixed it to gelrod since voting Rhanddom was his intention and Nessus said he would go with intentions.
Caitlin

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?

What was the point of voting Rhanddom if you're going to move off as soon as that seat is present? What a riddle.
What? I followed Caitlin onto Rhanddom when few were talking.
Voting for gelrod before he even said anything would have made no sense.

But voting for Rhanddom before he even said anything would make sense? Now I think my mind is going even madder, Alice.

Barely anyone was saying anything.
David Morcerf
Here's a riddle: why does my laptop pretend that it has 20% battery left if it's going to force itself to shut down at that moment?
on-x

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Well, with Rhanddom being replaced, vote ortho_
He's been here. He voted. Where is he now?

What was the point of voting Rhanddom if you're going to move off as soon as that seat is present? What a riddle.
What? I followed Caitlin onto Rhanddom when few were talking.
Voting for gelrod before he even said anything would have made no sense.

But voting for Rhanddom before he even said anything would make sense? Now I think my mind is going even madder, Alice.
It was very early in the game when I voted Rhanddom. When gelrod replaced in there was the assumption that he would pop in right away and say a bunch of stuff. So, it wouldn't pay to vote for him until he'd said enough to get a handle on him. I don't know what else to say about this if you still don't follow me.
David Morcerf

ortho_ wrote:

[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.

Adjectives, Alice?
Felice AKA Maria
Actually, I'm going to vote PaperF. I don't know why he disappeared like he did.

Taq and DeMo have been reading pretty good to me all game. I've noticed the things that have been mentioned about kiwi. If she were here I'd be fine voting there.
Madeline B

Felice Si wrote:

Actually, I'm going to vote PaperF. I don't know why he disappeared like he did.

Taq and DeMo have been reading pretty good to me all game. I've noticed the things that have been mentioned about kiwi. If she were here I'd be fine voting there.
You don't want to vote for kiwi who's not here, but you want to vote for Paper, who disappeared?

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.

Adjectives, Alice?


What are you asking me?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Actually, I'm going to vote PaperF. I don't know why he disappeared like he did.

Taq and DeMo have been reading pretty good to me all game. I've noticed the things that have been mentioned about kiwi. If she were here I'd be fine voting there.
You don't want to vote for kiwi who's not here, but you want to vote for Paper, who disappeared?
Disappearing without explanation is shifty.
Not wanting to vote someone who stated plainly that they had to be gone is understandable.
David Morcerf

gelrod wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Jesus you guys need to crank it up. We have three practically outed evils, maybe four, and nobody is talking.


Can we not throw the word 'outed' around when all we have is your hearsay after being in the game at most an hour?


Somebody's cranky. Also way utr. I think Taq is bad. Felice moved up the list from evil to shady.

Taq utr? No.
Madeline B

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
In case it matters, I think lemon's intention had been to unvote.
on-x

Felice Si wrote:

Actually, I'm going to vote PaperF. I don't know why he disappeared like he did.

Taq and DeMo have been reading pretty good to me all game. I've noticed the things that have been mentioned about kiwi. If she were here I'd be fine voting there.
Uncanny. I was just about to type up a very similar post and vote. vote PaperF
David Morcerf

ortho_ wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.

Adjectives, Alice?


What are you asking me?

To better enunciate your read for others to understand.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Felice AKA Maria

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Actually, I'm going to vote PaperF. I don't know why he disappeared like he did.

Taq and DeMo have been reading pretty good to me all game. I've noticed the things that have been mentioned about kiwi. If she were here I'd be fine voting there.
You don't want to vote for kiwi who's not here, but you want to vote for Paper, who disappeared?


Kiwi said early today that she would not be here for lynch (said she might be able to check in but essentially that was the message). Paper just vanished. Not the same thing at all.
Paper Luis
Sorry guys, had to take a little break. I'm back now even though I'm a bit late. :/
David Morcerf
Paper always disappears. Good or evil. A very frustrating rabbit, that way, he is.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

gelrod wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Sorry guys, had to take a little break. I'm back now even though I'm a bit late. :/


Paper, you aren't in lynch lead right now but I think you might go ahead and claim. Looks like evil might be trying to move the lynch your way, depending on how things unfold. I want you claimed with time for people to process.


Also I'd suggest a self save onto kiwi.
I think you (gelrod) are in second right now if lemon's vote isn't counted.
on-x
Lynch is sitting on an afk right now. Is that really what we're doing day1?
Felice AKA Maria

madelineb wrote:

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8), gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24)
gelrod - 2 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
Felice Si - 2 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
PaperF - 2 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O

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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
In case it matters, I think lemon's intention had been to unvote.


yes, she did unvote so it should be Paper - 2 right now with me and irwin.
Madeline B

irwin1138 wrote:

Lynch is sitting on an afk right now. Is that really what we're doing day1?
I feel like that's what you were about to do if paper hadn't come back.

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.

Adjectives, Alice?


What are you asking me?

To better enunciate your read for others to understand.


Basically, madeline in Ender's Game was aux, and she did a pretty good job of seeming good on D1 and beyond. She made a lot of reasonable seeming posts and didn't go overboard in accusing people. She cast votes for science and was kind of chill overall.

I got a sense in this one that she was playing similarly. Trying to look good. It's 3 min to lynch so i'm just going to post this, I can explain more after the fact.
David Morcerf
[vote lemon]
Paper Luis
Vote kiwi Self save.
Joseph Reissmann

madelineb wrote:

gelrod wrote:

gelrod wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Sorry guys, had to take a little break. I'm back now even though I'm a bit late. :/


Paper, you aren't in lynch lead right now but I think you might go ahead and claim. Looks like evil might be trying to move the lynch your way, depending on how things unfold. I want you claimed with time for people to process.


Also I'd suggest a self save onto kiwi.
I think you (gelrod) are in second right now if lemon's vote isn't counted.
nolemon's vote should not be counted. Her last vote was to unvote. I'll try to fix it.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

madelineb wrote:

gelrod wrote:

gelrod wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Sorry guys, had to take a little break. I'm back now even though I'm a bit late. :/


Paper, you aren't in lynch lead right now but I think you might go ahead and claim. Looks like evil might be trying to move the lynch your way, depending on how things unfold. I want you claimed with time for people to process.


Also I'd suggest a self save onto kiwi.
I think you (gelrod) are in second right now if lemon's vote isn't counted.


Which is why I'd suggest he save myself by voting onto kiwi.
Himself/myself/some self...
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

[vote madeline].

Not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch. Kind of based on the Enders Game game we were in together.

Adjectives, Alice?


What are you asking me?

To better enunciate your read for others to understand.


Basically, madeline in Ender's Game was aux, and she did a pretty good job of seeming good on D1 and beyond. She made a lot of reasonable seeming posts and didn't go overboard in accusing people. She cast votes for science and was kind of chill overall.

I got a sense in this one that she was playing similarly. Trying to look good. It's 3 min to lynch so i'm just going to post this, I can explain more after the fact.
What you should know about me as either alignment is that not only do I cast votes for science, I also don't vote for non-reasons.
on-x

madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Lynch is sitting on an afk right now. Is that really what we're doing day1?
I feel like that's what you were about to do if paper hadn't come back.
Not the same! kiwi said she's be gone. Paper hadn't.

Caitlin, are you going to re-vote?!
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
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Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
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Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Vote kiwi Self save.
You're not in second. gelrod is. You're not saving yourself, nor do you need to. You only have two votes.
Joseph Reissmann

Nessus77 wrote:

madelineb wrote:

gelrod wrote:

gelrod wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Sorry guys, had to take a little break. I'm back now even though I'm a bit late. :/


Paper, you aren't in lynch lead right now but I think you might go ahead and claim. Looks like evil might be trying to move the lynch your way, depending on how things unfold. I want you claimed with time for people to process.


Also I'd suggest a self save onto kiwi.
I think you (gelrod) are in second right now if lemon's vote isn't counted.
nolemon's vote should not be counted. Her last vote was to unvote. I'll try to fix it.
[{nolemonplease} unvote]
Joseph Reissmann
[DUSK]

No posting, please.
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ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Kiwi13cubed - (no claim)
Joseph Reissmann
[killed Kiwi13cubed] She was a villager.

You may post. Night actions are due at 9:30.
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Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.
Joseph Reissmann
[DAWN]

Quiet!
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Vote Tally:
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ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
DeMorcerf - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Joseph Reissmann

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.
No posting now! I called dawn and haven't finished night actions!
Joseph Reissmann
[killed DeMorcerf] He was a villager.

Now you may post.
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Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
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Vote Tally:
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1)
Not voting: Felice Si, PaperF, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, irwin1138, madelineb, nolemonplease, ortho_

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Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
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Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.
Pointing out that you are horribly misrepresenting my actions is not being "pissy."
My "cool story, bro" was dismissive, sure, but it was also silly.
It does not merit being told to "cool [my] shit."
Nothing there was meant to be hostile.
It's just meant to point out that you're evil.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

Sorry, I didn't realize that night was a half hour when I replaced in.

With that in mind, [vote Irwin].

Dawn sniping a Post saying demo was clearly good right before he died? Yah, he's evil.
I snipe when I have something to say at night but don't want to talk at night.
Why would a wolf snipe declare that their nightkill is good? That's a play?
on-x
vote gelrod. Obviously.
Madeline B
vote nolemonplease, need a read here. Demo's death after the snipe isn't a serious point against her I feel, but I'm curious, lemon, did you consider revoting when you checked in again?
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Vote Tally:
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2)
nolemonplease - 1 - madelineb (3)
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madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Madeline B
Gut from yesterday says it's likely irwin and gelrod are both good. I'm mobile, more tonight or tomorrow.
Caitlin
Lately I tend to think night kills are a result of the wolves thinking they are too villagery too leave alive, even if a lot of the village might not agree. There I think you have a point. Demo sounded great from what I read of his entrance.

I don't think irwin is one for theater like that, though.
Caitlin

madelineb wrote:

vote nolemonplease, need a read here. Demo's death after the snipe isn't a serious point against her I feel, but I'm curious, lemon, did you consider revoting when you checked in again?

I considered it, but didn't know where to go, and couldn't be present for flailing.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

vote gelrod. Obviously.


Obviously?
After my snipe, I would think so, yes.
Felice AKA Maria

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.


What does "Cool story, bro." mean exactly? That doesn't sound hostile to me. irwin's post just reads like a good annoyed that an evil managed to swing an afk lynch. That's my interpretation of her comments assuming good irwin.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Lately I tend to think night kills are a result of the wolves thinking they are too villagery too leave alive, even if a lot of the village might not agree. There I think you have a point. Demo sounded great from what I read of his entrance.

I don't think irwin is one for theater like that, though.


Never played with him (her?). Would that be a stretch for irwin?
Yes, irwin is a her. (And she occasionally speaks in the third person.)
on-x

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.


What does "Cool story, bro." mean exactly? That doesn't sound hostile to me. irwin's post just reads like a good annoyed that an evil managed to swing an afk lynch. That's my interpretation of her comments assuming good irwin.
It is a slightly patronizing way of saying someone is not being honest. I can see misinterpreting it as hostile.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.
Pointing out that you are horribly misrepresenting my actions is not being "pissy."
My "cool story, bro" was dismissive, sure, but it was also silly.
It does not merit being told to "cool [my] shit."
Nothing there was meant to be hostile.
It's just meant to point out that you're evil.


Cool. Happy to leave it at that. Tones can be misconstrued in text.

Care to comment on Demo being the kill after you sniped that he "obviously isn't evil"? Do you think, from an outside point of view, it seems suspiciously like theater?
Glad we're square. I suppose I can see what you're saying.
Felice AKA Maria

irwin1138 wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Bah. That doesn't help at all. Sorry guys...I'm not kidding about my thoughts on the matter though. I've never seen kiwi soft seer like that, even as seer. I've never seen her evil before and would have sworn that was an attempt to mimic her good play.

Demo peeled off at the end and Irwin suddenly decided to defend her. Good places to start looking if they are evils wanting to disassociate with a mislynch.
Suddenly decided? Ridiculous misrepresentation. And I wasn't defending her.
I just didn't want to lynch her when we couldn't possibly get a claim from the lynch.
And David? Seriously?! David is obviously good. Good luck convincing anyone otherwise.
Nicely orchestrated, preventing us getting any information from the lynch. Cool story, bro.


Cool your shit. You obviously haven't played with me before. I didn't say you were evil, I said those were avenues to look. The hostility is completely unnecessary. I'm tired of people getting pissy every time someone suggests they might be evil. That's how this game is played. You accuse people. You consider your options. Sometimes good players are wrong. There's a way to phrase everything you just said without it being so hostile. For one thing, the phrase "cool story, bro" is totally unnecessary and dismissive. At least I'm trying.


What does "Cool story, bro." mean exactly? That doesn't sound hostile to me. irwin's post just reads like a good annoyed that an evil managed to swing an afk lynch. That's my interpretation of her comments assuming good irwin.
It is a slightly patronizing way of saying someone is not being honest. I can see misinterpreting it as hostile.


I haven't heard that before. You kids and your crazy language. laugh
Caitlin
I reread lynch chaos, and would like to start with [Vote Paper].

The one that bothers me the most about all this is that this wasn't his explanation. I'm trying to not get caught up in expectations, though; I hate when people expect something from me and I do something different.

The main thing that leads me to this vote is the feeling I got about Paper during lynch chaos, his place in the tallies, the way he self saved, etc. Want to figure this read out. My first reason is easier to point at for a reason, though.

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.

It's fine. I was (we were?) trying to figure out where your head is at. Was primarily interested in what you had to say about it.

My feeling about it was (provided you are good and being genuine) that you thought "Hm, the wolves are probably content and quiet" and voted those you thought were most quiet.
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Vote Tally:
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2)
nolemonplease - 1 - madelineb (3)
PaperF - 1 - nolemonplease (4)
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ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
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Vote Tally:
PaperF - 2 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2)
nolemonplease - 1 - madelineb (3)
irwin1138 - 0 - gelrod (1)
Not voting: Felice Si, PaperF, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, ortho_

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madelineb - (no claim)
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Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

gelrod wrote:

[vote paper]
In my current thinking, that's probably the only other vote I'd really be feeling than gelrod.

Also, Scarlett, sweetie, where the hell are you? We need you. Stop being sick. I don't like it when you feel icky.
Madeline B
I tried reading through demo and i didnt come away feeling very different about most people. Maybe a plus for taq, not sure demo is a kill that makes lots of sense for taq wolf. Looking into lemon, felice, paper, ortho, scarlett's seat to start. Some combinations seem less likely; i think felice tends towards conservative play and probably doesnt vote paper there if she knows he's evil.

ortho_ wrote:

nolemon, do you have a Felice read yet?
a really blunt way of bringing up this meta. In a vacuum I think it points against felice/ortho wolves specifically. Could be aux hinting.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

Kiwi13cubed wrote:

I'm gonna go for my appointment now.

Content with leaving my vote on gelrod, I guess. Don't really know where else to put it.

I might have a little bit of time to check in right before lynch, but I'm not going to put myself under the pressure to try to do so.


Hmm. I think you're good, kiwi. I mean, alignment-wise...not necessarily judgement-wise.
gel, why did you read kiwi as good at this point?
Madeline B

nolemonplease wrote:

[Unvote all]

I don't know where I want to vote. My current vote isn't really a real vote.
I had planned to be here for the lynch hour to be able to nail down my reads.

Something just came up and I can't guarantee I'm going to be here. I have about 15 minutes left that I'll be here for sure.

I'll try to check in as I can. And see if I can find a place for a real vote.

Kinda liking ortho at the moment. Don't like him at the top of the tally.
Don't want to lynch gelrod today.
I don't support a lynch on Taq.

Would prefer to see Madeline another day.
lemon, what were you liking about ortho? His content? Reactions to the tally?
Caitlin

madelineb wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Unvote all]

I don't know where I want to vote. My current vote isn't really a real vote.
I had planned to be here for the lynch hour to be able to nail down my reads.

Something just came up and I can't guarantee I'm going to be here. I have about 15 minutes left that I'll be here for sure.

I'll try to check in as I can. And see if I can find a place for a real vote.

Kinda liking ortho at the moment. Don't like him at the top of the tally.
Don't want to lynch gelrod today.
I don't support a lynch on Taq.

Would prefer to see Madeline another day.
lemon, what were you liking about ortho? His content? Reactions to the tally?

I don't remember exactly. I think it was his reactions. It might have been also that the people I was finding that I was liking weren't voting him, and more of my nuller reads were.
Madeline B
Okay, thanks.

Gel, where was your felice read coming from (before like five minutes out)--did you ever explain?
Paper Luis
Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
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Vote Tally:
PaperF - 2 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2)
nolemonplease - 1 - madelineb (3)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
Not voting: Felice Si, Scarlett_O, Taquelli, ortho_

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x
So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
Does anything in particular stand out to you about ortho that you could cite?

Could you elaborate more on why you are confident about madeline?

I myself keep going back and forth on her. She is one who is definitely participating and doesn't seem afraid to point things out, but some of her posts seem alignment-neutral, like she'd say that either way and she's had a few comments that didn't sit well with me, like her concern for you being voted when you had disappeared and not seeming to understand how that was different from kiwi being voted when kiwi'd specifically said she'd be gone. I'm not sure I've played with madelineb before. So, I don't know how to read her. I'd appreciate evaluation from others.
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
Interesting theory about Demorcerf. It wouldn't be the sole reason for the nightkill, of course, but could factor in. Seems a bit obvious though.

Oh, also, I know you only said might, but you also bolded it. So, fine if you want to vote me, but did you want to give any explanation to it?
on-x
Oh, and, yes, madelineb, Paper was not present, which was unfortunate in regards to getting a claim,
but kiwi had specifically said she probably wouldn't be back. Paper could still have shown up.
Still not the best situation, but kiwi I didn't want lynched also simply because I didn't think she was evil.
on-x
Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
Does ortho seem good or just typical? At the risk of being retaliatory, a reread of him seems like "innocuous question, 'here is Paper being Paper,' 'here is gel being gel,' 'here is Madeline being potentially evil,' innocuous question." Other opinions welcome but I'd really like to hear from Paper.
Madeline B

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
Does anything in particular stand out to you about ortho that you could cite?

Could you elaborate more on why you are confident about madeline?

I myself keep going back and forth on her. She is one who is definitely participating and doesn't seem afraid to point things out, but some of her posts seem alignment-neutral, like she'd say that either way and she's had a few comments that didn't sit well with me, like her concern for you being voted when you had disappeared and not seeming to understand how that was different from kiwi being voted when kiwi'd specifically said she'd be gone. I'm not sure I've played with madelineb before. So, I don't know how to read her. I'd appreciate evaluation from others.
I think our only game together was the most recent RRS game.

I guess my issue was, when people are reluctant to lynch AFKs, why are they reluctant? You say below that you'd been reading kiwi as good and just didn't want to lynch there, period, which is fine. Potentially, there could be people who weren't reading kiwi as good, but didn't want to vote there because of the risk we'd hit a special unable to claim. If that was someone's philosophy, that's fine too. But I don't think it's fine to have that as a standing policy but then move to Paper ten minutes out, when he hadn't been around for two hours. I wanted to know more about why you and Felice were okay with one lynch but not the other.
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madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
Does anything in particular stand out to you about ortho that you could cite?

Could you elaborate more on why you are confident about madeline?

I myself keep going back and forth on her. She is one who is definitely participating and doesn't seem afraid to point things out, but some of her posts seem alignment-neutral, like she'd say that either way and she's had a few comments that didn't sit well with me, like her concern for you being voted when you had disappeared and not seeming to understand how that was different from kiwi being voted when kiwi'd specifically said she'd be gone. I'm not sure I've played with madelineb before. So, I don't know how to read her. I'd appreciate evaluation from others.
I think our only game together was the most recent RRS game.

I guess my issue was, when people are reluctant to lynch AFKs, why are they reluctant? You say below that you'd been reading kiwi as good and just didn't want to lynch there, period, which is fine. Potentially, there could be people who weren't reading kiwi as good, but didn't want to vote there because of the risk we'd hit a special unable to claim. If that was someone's philosophy, that's fine too. But I don't think it's fine to have that as a standing policy but then move to Paper ten minutes out, when he hadn't been around for two hours. I wanted to know more about why you and Felice were okay with one lynch but not the other.
Right. A read, not a standing policy. I prefer not to lynch afk, but
clearly-stated afk is a worse lynch than suddenly, unexplainedly afk.
(Obviously, things come up too. Afk at all is not great.)
I get you wanting to know why. It just seemed weird that you didn't see a difference between the two situations.
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gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.
on-x

madelineb wrote:

I think our only game together was the most recent RRS game.
Ah, yes. Thank you. I couldn't remember if that was you or AnneAa or both and I was too lazy at the time to check.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.


(I wasn't telling you to deal with it...I was saying that's my general attitude. It's just a game, I screw up once in a while. Move on.)

We're very clearly bad at communicating with one another.
That makes you my new irina. kiss
Madeline B

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.
gel is not above scrutiny here, but I didn't feel like he was singlehandedly spearhanding the lynch. There were plenty of people willing to vote for/express skepticism of kiwi at the time.
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madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.
gel is not above scrutiny here, but I didn't feel like he was singlehandedly spearhanding the lynch. There were plenty of people willing to vote for/express skepticism of kiwi at the time.
Seems likely (though certainly not definite) there is evil on kiwi.
If not gelrod, that would mean one or both of Taquelli/ortho. vote ortho
Taquelli, with his jump to defend paper's subpar pairing, his misreading of ortho
and his vote (that whole long exchange), his statement that he wont blame gelrod
if kiwi flips good, and just his general tone make me think Taquelli is not a wolf.
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Madeline B

irwin1138 wrote:

madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.
gel is not above scrutiny here, but I didn't feel like he was singlehandedly spearhanding the lynch. There were plenty of people willing to vote for/express skepticism of kiwi at the time.
Seems likely (though certainly not definite) there is evil on kiwi.
If not gelrod, that would mean one or both of Taquelli/ortho. vote ortho
Taquelli, with his jump to defend paper's subpar pairing, his misreading of ortho
and his vote (that whole long exchange), his statement that he wont blame gelrod
if kiwi flips good, and just his general tone make me think Taquelli is not a wolf.
...and Paper who you've also suspected today?

vote ortho, I think a Paper-Ortho tally could be hot.
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Vote Tally:
PaperF - 2 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5)
ortho_ - 2 - irwin1138 (7), madelineb (8)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
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gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
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madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

madelineb wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

gelrod wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

So, am I completely alone here in thinking that gelrod's run up
on kiwi and lack of care for her lack of presence seems suspicious?
The fact that he was reading her as good and then jumped on Demorcerf pointing out the soft
claim and declared her absolute evil based solely on that, prior read washed completely away.


Pretty much. But you're the only one that hasn't played with me before, from what I can tell, so that should tell you something. I lynch people I think are evil. Sometimes I get crazy hunches based on things that make no sense. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I'll take responsibility but I won't feel bad about it because that's the game we're playing #dealwithit: Unnecessary.

Your entire reaction to all of this made me think you were evil at first, but now I think you're probably good. Mainly because of how ridiculously indignant you are about the whole thing. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just that it seems to me your reactions match what I'd expect someone to do in a world that makes no sense. And the world makes sense to evils.
I don't doubt that this could be how you'd play as good.
I just also think it'd be a really convenient way for an evil to get a mislynch, especially if it fits your playstyle.
No one is asking you to feel bad about a suboptimal decision in a game. I'm only saying that it could mean you're evil.
If no one else is suspicious of you, obviously I'm not going to convince anyone to vote you and this gets set aside.
gel is not above scrutiny here, but I didn't feel like he was singlehandedly spearhanding the lynch. There were plenty of people willing to vote for/express skepticism of kiwi at the time.
Seems likely (though certainly not definite) there is evil on kiwi.
If not gelrod, that would mean one or both of Taquelli/ortho. vote ortho
Taquelli, with his jump to defend paper's subpar pairing, his misreading of ortho
and his vote (that whole long exchange), his statement that he wont blame gelrod
if kiwi flips good, and just his general tone make me think Taquelli is not a wolf.
...and Paper who you've also suspected today?

vote ortho, I think a Paper-Ortho tally could be hot.
Yes, thank you, paper certainly voted there too.
I wasn't including him because gelrod told him he should
vote kiwi to self-save. He wasn't part of the run up.
Josh Krehbiel

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


(Hey Irwin, do you post from multiple devices? Sometimes your posts have weird paragraph breaks and sometimes they don't, and I'm not sure what's causing it.)

I think Gelrod was clearly leading the lynch last night, and I'm starting to distrust it, but a bad read is just as likely. Madeline and Gelrod seem linked to me. Nolemon is reading fine, even if her words aren't jumping out at me. Ortho is a big blank hole who seemed to disappear after scrutiny was off him. Felise is not saying enough, leaving negative.

Get in here, Ortho [vote ortho_]
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PaperF - 2 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
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gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
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Taquelli wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


(Hey Irwin, do you post from multiple devices? Sometimes your posts have weird paragraph breaks and sometimes they don't, and I'm not sure what's causing it.)

I think Gelrod was clearly leading the lynch last night, and I'm starting to distrust it, but a bad read is just as likely. Madeline and Gelrod seem linked to me. Nolemon is reading fine, even if her words aren't jumping out at me. Ortho is a big blank hole who seemed to disappear after scrutiny was off him. Felise is not saying enough, leaving negative.

Get in here, Ortho [vote ortho_]
No. Sorry, that's me causing it. The line breaks bother me when they look awkward. I'm weird, I know.
Could you elaborate more on your feelings about madeline/gelrod (if there is more to it than just a feeling)?
I see what you mean about Caitlin, but am less confident in her than you appear to be. Not bad, just not yet sure good.
Felice I'd like to hear more from today. I was feeling better about her after lynch.

edit: format
Josh Krehbiel

irwin1138 wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


(Hey Irwin, do you post from multiple devices? Sometimes your posts have weird paragraph breaks and sometimes they don't, and I'm not sure what's causing it.)

I think Gelrod was clearly leading the lynch last night, and I'm starting to distrust it, but a bad read is just as likely. Madeline and Gelrod seem linked to me. Nolemon is reading fine, even if her words aren't jumping out at me. Ortho is a big blank hole who seemed to disappear after scrutiny was off him. Felise is not saying enough, leaving negative.

Get in here, Ortho [vote ortho_]
No. Sorry, that's me causing it. The line breaks bother me when they look awkward. I'm weird, I know.
Could you elaborate more on your feelings about madeline/gelrod (if there is more to it than just a feeling)?
I see what you mean about Caitlin, but am less confident in her than you appear to be. Not bad, just not yet sure good.
Felice I'd like to hear more from today. I was feeling better about her after lynch.

edit: format


(Ah okay, no worries. Continue.)

I just found the exchange about how she was glad I wouldn't hold the lynch against Gelrod if it went like it did. Seems like a very soft protection, but I can also see it as a "oh thank goodness we are not all mad at each other all the time."

I sure do love suggesting one thing and then the opposite. WHO KNOWS what I actually believe?
Madeline B

Taquelli wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


(Hey Irwin, do you post from multiple devices? Sometimes your posts have weird paragraph breaks and sometimes they don't, and I'm not sure what's causing it.)

I think Gelrod was clearly leading the lynch last night, and I'm starting to distrust it, but a bad read is just as likely. Madeline and Gelrod seem linked to me. Nolemon is reading fine, even if her words aren't jumping out at me. Ortho is a big blank hole who seemed to disappear after scrutiny was off him. Felise is not saying enough, leaving negative.

Get in here, Ortho [vote ortho_]
No. Sorry, that's me causing it. The line breaks bother me when they look awkward. I'm weird, I know.
Could you elaborate more on your feelings about madeline/gelrod (if there is more to it than just a feeling)?
I see what you mean about Caitlin, but am less confident in her than you appear to be. Not bad, just not yet sure good.
Felice I'd like to hear more from today. I was feeling better about her after lynch.

edit: format


(Ah okay, no worries. Continue.)

I just found the exchange about how she was glad I wouldn't hold the lynch against Gelrod if it went like it did. Seems like a very soft protection, but I can also see it as a "oh thank goodness we are not all mad at each other all the time."

I sure do love suggesting one thing and then the opposite. WHO KNOWS what I actually believe?
I meant it in the sense of "Taquelli seems to be taking things one day at a time rather than forming a unshakable lynch calendar of 'this person led the mislynch so now we must get them' which seems reasonable on his part."

irwin1138 wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

I'm feeling really sick to my stomach today so probably won't be here until later tonight. Is lynch today or tomorrow?
Today. I'm sorry you're not feeling well, love. I hope you feel better later.


Thank you. I didn't feel better last night and accidentally slept through lynch and then slept most of the day today. I still don't feel that great, but I'm here and catching up now. Sorry, everyone! I was fine Sunday...it just hit me suddenly yesterday.
Josh Krehbiel

madelineb wrote:

I meant it in the sense of "Taquelli seems to be taking things one day at a time rather than forming a unshakable lynch calendar of 'this person led the mislynch so now we must get them' which seems reasonable on his part."


Alright, I will sever my perceived connection at this time.
Caitlin

irwin1138 wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


(Hey Irwin, do you post from multiple devices? Sometimes your posts have weird paragraph breaks and sometimes they don't, and I'm not sure what's causing it.)

I think Gelrod was clearly leading the lynch last night, and I'm starting to distrust it, but a bad read is just as likely. Madeline and Gelrod seem linked to me. Nolemon is reading fine, even if her words aren't jumping out at me. Ortho is a big blank hole who seemed to disappear after scrutiny was off him. Felise is not saying enough, leaving negative.

Get in here, Ortho [vote ortho_]
No. Sorry, that's me causing it. The line breaks bother me when they look awkward. I'm weird, I know.
Could you elaborate more on your feelings about madeline/gelrod (if there is more to it than just a feeling)?
I see what you mean about Caitlin, but am less confident in her than you appear to be. Not bad, just not yet sure good.
Felice I'd like to hear more from today. I was feeling better about her after lynch.

edit: format

Good. This is what I like to hear. =)

Was a bit worried yesterday, but now I am reading you as good.
Still think Taquelli is good.

That's about it.

You've got me reconsidering gelrod (I think I primarily lean good still, but just sort of want to make sure I re-evaluate enough).
Everyone else I took a step back to re-evaluate as well.

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?


PaperF wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Maybe the evil team is just sitting happy in the corner because none of them are getting lynched? [Vote Scarlet] or [Vote Rhanndom]?
What does a fourth vote on Rhanddom accomplish?
Nothing really. Why would I do that as evil anyways? It would put me on the spot for placing a 4th vote on him. I just don't know where to go, as we haven't seen much in the past hours.


Sure. But why vote Scarlett, who said she was sick today, and Rhanddom who is totally MIA and also in LL?
My votes were all random.


Paper, your explanation for your votes didn't seem random...it seemed like you were voting us because we weren't around, so it does seem a little strange for you to switch to saying the votes were random after someone asks you about your Rhanddom vote because he was in LL at the time and your explanation said that you thought evil was happy with the tally.

PaperF wrote:

Whatever, yes, I'm stupid if you guys want me to recognize that. I made the post because I wanted some discussion going on, and by my "stupidness", I voted Rhandom and Scarlet without much thought. Yes, I'm stupid for not making sense.


Awww, nobody thinks you're stupid. It was just inconsistent. I've played with you quite a bit, but I think you've always been good, and I haven't noticed you say things so inconsistent before. Usually you stick with your votes and reads and don't flip flop just because someone says something about it not making sense.

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

irwin1138 wrote:

Caitlin, who else is evil?

Taquelli, what are your thoughts?

Scarlett had one post. She expected to be around last night but never showed up.
I was looking forward to playing with her, but if she hasn't checked in yet I'm guessing she can't.
I expect she would understand and agree that perhaps it's time to consider a replacement.
(Though, of course, if instead she were to come back and be able to play that'd be fantastic.)


Sorry.

I'm here on and off until my son goes to bed and will be around and active for lynch tonight.
on-x
Very glad you are here Scarlett. Sorry you're still not feeling great though.
on-x
Sweet crosspost, Scar
Caitlin

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?


No. Not sure how to check with all the games erased in Cassy?

Scarlett_O wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?


No. Not sure how to check with all the games erased in Cassy?


Am I remembering wrong? I'm honestly not even sure if I actually played in the game or if I was just reading it.

I remember that happening and then I think Irina ended up replacing out? Maybe?
Caitlin

Scarlett_O wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?


No. Not sure how to check with all the games erased in Cassy?


Am I remembering wrong? I'm honestly not even sure if I actually played in the game or if I was just reading it.

I remember that happening and then I think Irina ended up replacing out? Maybe?

It's not a big deal. I was just curious; I don't remember being being Irina's aux before. I just wanted to jog my own memory, maybe read the game again.
I think [vote paper] is my best read at this point.

I was feeling kind of weird about the irwin/gelrod stand off thingy. Maybe one good vs one evil or evils distancing, but if irwin hasn't played with gelrod before then that could explain that.

Not sure how I feel about lemon yet, but if she's evil then I'd probably guess that she's aux to gelrod. So, I would probably be okay voting gelrod too, especially after all the fudding yesterday and then him pushing kiwi's mislynch.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
ortho_ - 3 - irwin1138 (7), madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
PaperF - 3 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, ortho_

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irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
irwin, do you still think gelrod is evil? Anybody else?
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.
I don't like this post on its own; I don't think lemon being evil necessarily implies Scarlett or Gelrod aware with her (though those worldviews certainly make sense, and this doesn't make a lemon/scarlett connection feel any less likely).
Madeline B

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?


No. Not sure how to check with all the games erased in Cassy?


Am I remembering wrong? I'm honestly not even sure if I actually played in the game or if I was just reading it.

I remember that happening and then I think Irina ended up replacing out? Maybe?

It's not a big deal. I was just curious; I don't remember being being Irina's aux before. I just wanted to jog my own memory, maybe read the game again.
Okay, so I got distracted and started researching this. robot I couldn't find anything. There was a game where Irina asked for a delay because Tommy wasn't around, he replaced out, lemon replaced into a different seat? And maybe they were all evil together?
on-x

Scarlett_O wrote:

irwin, do you still think gelrod is evil? Anybody else?
I don't know how to approach the gelrod issue. I think it's very possible he is evil. But I can also see him being good.
I'm no expert on him, of course, having not played with him before. Others who have would be better-able to judge.
Ignoring gelrod, I'm most suspicious of PaperF and ortho.
I'm somewhat suspicious of you (partially because we just haven't been able to see much from you so far).
I'm neutral on nolemonplease and madelineb.
I'm tentatively trusting Felice Si and Taquelli, but I feel like they could both afford to post more.

madelineb wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.

Do you remember what game this was?


No. Not sure how to check with all the games erased in Cassy?


Am I remembering wrong? I'm honestly not even sure if I actually played in the game or if I was just reading it.

I remember that happening and then I think Irina ended up replacing out? Maybe?

It's not a big deal. I was just curious; I don't remember being being Irina's aux before. I just wanted to jog my own memory, maybe read the game again.
Okay, so I got distracted and started researching this. robot I couldn't find anything. There was a game where Irina asked for a delay because Tommy wasn't around, he replaced out, lemon replaced into a different seat? And maybe they were all evil together?


Hmmm...I actually think that was what I was thinking of and got the details confused. Sorry, lemon.
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.
on-x

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.
Does nolemonplease publicly ask for a delay when her wolf/wolf partner is afk/LL?
I tend to believe that Caitlin asks for delays when she feels they are needed,
not because she is worried about her teammates being lynched/afk.

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.
I don't like this post on its own; I don't think lemon being evil necessarily implies Scarlett or Gelrod aware with her (though those worldviews certainly make sense, and this doesn't make a lemon/scarlett connection feel any less likely).


Eh, demo asked if evil lemon would bother asking for a delay. I said that I (incorrectly) remembered lemon asking for a delay for irina when she was irina's aux. I wasn't necessarily saying that was what was happening here, just that if she WERE evil and asking for a delay that it'd be likely that it was for an AWK wolf, which left me and gelrod as options. Obviously it doesn't make lemon/scarlett less likely to YOU, but from my perspective, it left gelrod as the likely wolf if lemon were an aux.

Apparently I remembered the details wrong and it wasn't lemon asking for the delay though.
Felice AKA Maria
Been out all day today so I'm just checking back in this game now. I only quickly skimmed so far to see if anyone was shouting for me to turn up. blush I didn't notice any direct questions to me. I have a few things to do here and will settle in here for a proper read later. I'll be here for dusk.

Not game related.
[o] cool I discharged my mortgage today![/o]

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.


I meant your vote on him on the last page, there wasn't an explanation. I kind of read fast over yesterday so probably missed details.

Felice Si wrote:

Been out all day today so I'm just checking back in this game now. I only quickly skimmed so far to see if anyone was shouting for me to turn up. blush I didn't notice any direct questions to me. I have a few things to do here and will settle in here for a proper read later. I'll be here for dusk.

Not game related.
[o]cool I discharged my mortgage today![/o]


Congrats!
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.


I meant your vote on him on the last page, there wasn't an explanation. I kind of read fast over yesterday so probably missed details.
as for why I'm voting him today, it's just what I said in the last sentence quoted (I mention a lack of good vibes from him in my post to paper earlier today.) My"yesterday or today" question was referencing your "he doesn't seem to be doing things I've seen him do as evil" point.

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.


I meant your vote on him on the last page, there wasn't an explanation. I kind of read fast over yesterday so probably missed details.
as for why I'm voting him today, it's just what I said in the last sentence quoted (I mention a lack of good vibes from him in my post to paper earlier today.) My"yesterday or today" question was referencing your "he doesn't seem to be doing things I've seen him do as evil" point.


Oh, sorry. I misunderstood.

I don't think he's said anything today? I was talking about yesterday when gelrod was saying he wanted to lynch him.

irwin1138 wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

DeMorcerf wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Is delaying a day an option?

We have a sick Scarlett.
And an MIA Rhanddom.

And then a few people who have checked in but I am not sure if they plan on showing back up.

Riddle: does evil lemon bother asking for a delay?


I think I saw lemon ask for a delay in a game where she was an aux to an AFK Irina. But, if she's evil here, that'd make either me or Rhanddom/Gelrod evil, so... I dunno. Gelrod did come in FUDDing up the place, but... he's Gelrod, so that doesn't necessarily make him evil.
Does nolemonplease publicly ask for a delay when her wolf/wolf partner is afk/LL?
I tend to believe that Caitlin asks for delays when she feels they are needed,
not because she is worried about her teammates being lynched/afk.


Yeah, I was remembering wrong. It wasn't her, it was irina I guess and lemon was a replacement in the game and I got confused.
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.


I meant your vote on him on the last page, there wasn't an explanation. I kind of read fast over yesterday so probably missed details.
as for why I'm voting him today, it's just what I said in the last sentence quoted (I mention a lack of good vibes from him in my post to paper earlier today.) My"yesterday or today" question was referencing your "he doesn't seem to be doing things I've seen him do as evil" point.


Oh, sorry. I misunderstood.

I don't think he's said anything today? I was talking about yesterday when gelrod was saying he wanted to lynch him.
Okay. I'd have to re-read to get a better sense of which if any votes were cast for actual, serious cases, but gel hopped into the thread randomly declaring people evil for no reason and demanding we lynch ortho without a case. It's possible/likely ortho wasn't interpreting it as actual pressure.

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

madeline, can you explain your ortho vote for me? You're probably my best read. I think I've only played a couple games with ortho and he's been evil every time that I remember, but he was super pingy in the first game I played with him (he was the witch) and I thought he was evil early on and we had a little face off on d2 because he was pinging me so hard and I thought he was evil and he got really defensive to me suspecting him. He doesn't seem to be doing that this game though, so I was actually leaning good on him.
Are you referring to yesterday or today? He hasn't been in the thread at all today, so his lack of response to pressure doesn't move me either way. Yesterday, he wasn't extremely pingy when under pressure, but I thought a lot of his posts were pretty straightforward ("why are people still voting me, I don't need to be summoned, these people sound like their typical selves") and not very insightful. I'm always paranoid about him as someone who can sound pro-town and logical as either alignment.

In part I'm voting him because I think both him and Paper have been quietly defending each other in a "oh, he sounds like himself" sense, but I don't see a lot of general analysis from either, so I'd like to see them both in the tally to see where they go from there.


I meant your vote on him on the last page, there wasn't an explanation. I kind of read fast over yesterday so probably missed details.
as for why I'm voting him today, it's just what I said in the last sentence quoted (I mention a lack of good vibes from him in my post to paper earlier today.) My"yesterday or today" question was referencing your "he doesn't seem to be doing things I've seen him do as evil" point.


Oh, sorry. I misunderstood.

I don't think he's said anything today? I was talking about yesterday when gelrod was saying he wanted to lynch him.
Okay. I'd have to re-read to get a better sense of which if any votes were cast for actual, serious cases, but gel hopped into the thread randomly declaring people evil for no reason and demanding we lynch ortho without a case. It's possible/likely ortho wasn't interpreting it as actual pressure.


It was this post, specifically, that made me feel okay about him when gelrod was trying to get people to lynch him:

ortho_ wrote:

Also, I kind of hate to offer this read given that he's vowed to lynch me, but I usually associate the gelrod who seems not to care about anyone understanding what he's doing as good!gelrod vs. more reasonable sounding gelrod = evil!gelrod.

on-x
ortho, where are you?!
Sorry for my lack of presence in this game! I was in 2 others with 4:30/4:45 lynches, and between that and work I was giving everything to them.

Then, I had to make dinner and take care of some other stuff, which took longer than I thought. Catching up now.


Also, I see I'm in LL. Incorrect!

irwin1138 wrote:

ortho, where are you?!


Yes, sorry. I'll be here pretty steadily between now and lynch. Going to read D2 now.
Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
I will say this about PaperF - This post doesn't look good:

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?


My general read on PaperF is that as evil, he has trouble calling other people evil. On some level, I think it makes him nervous. This post is like 85% good reads, 10% weak suspicion on nolemon and Felice, and 5% vote for irwin without actually saying she's evil.


I guess for me, some of this is past history. I've seen PaperF do stuff that looks super evil along with very few posts. Everyone is on board, and he gets lynched and flips good. Sometimes I think the best way to handle PaperF when he's not obviously good is just seer view him.

He could be evil here. His post today was bad. But rushing toward that lynch makes me nervous. Even with me being the current alternative.
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.
My best reads at this point are Gelrod and irwin. I'm going to continue to roll with my theory on good!gelrod, and irwin seemed fine on D1 and I've liked her today. I didn't like her explicitly pushing the PaperF!evil tally theory, but aside from that, feeling OK there.

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
I'm suspicious of Felice. I don't really like that she was able to check in to joke about the 'cool story' stuff, but not comment on any of the lynch/NK/aftermath stuff.
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O
Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O


How many games have you played with PaperF?
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
If PaperF and you are both good, then this day has not been a good day.

Agreed that Felice doesn't look great especially if Paper is good, but I'm kind of tunneled in conspiracy mode now.
Josh Krehbiel
Anybody want to claim anything? I could stand to hear a claim today.

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O


What excludes gelrod? Out of the kiwi voters, he'd seem the most suspicious to me because he was the one pushing to lynch kiwi.

Just seems kind of odd that you're looking for an evil in the kiwi voters, but so easily eliminate the person who pushed hardest (and first) for kiwi to get lynched.
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O


How many games have you played with PaperF?
I feel like you should know me better than to ask when Cassy's archives are lost, but, about 5.

Yes, I know he's quiet.
nolemon - I really liked that post she made yesterday with her reads:

nolemonplease wrote:

[Unvote all]

I don't know where I want to vote. My current vote isn't really a real vote.
I had planned to be here for the lynch hour to be able to nail down my reads.

Something just came up and I can't guarantee I'm going to be here. I have about 15 minutes left that I'll be here for sure.

I'll try to check in as I can. And see if I can find a place for a real vote.

Kinda liking ortho at the moment. Don't like him at the top of the tally.
Don't want to lynch gelrod today.
I don't support a lynch on Taq.

Would prefer to see Madeline another day.


Obviously, her saying she likes me, but I agreed at the time with gelrod and taquelli seemed OK. He seems even a bit better now.

Aside from that, not sure. I need to read nolemon over entirely, and I'm not sure if I'm going to have time to do that before lynch. I probably wouldn't lynch her except to save myself.


Scarlett - she's barely played. She seemed to read me good, which hopefully that's good. But at the same time, at the back of my mind I wonder if she's evil, sees that I'm a safe bet to get mislynched today, and is looking for cred by defending me.

Beyond that, unsure.
on-x

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
A paper save? gelrod was second in lynch lead.
(It may have seemed like paper was in danger because nolemonplease's paperf vote didn't get canceled right away because kiwibot didn't recognize her unvote all command. And then gelrod told paper to move his vote from gelrod to kiwi to "save himself" though it would only actually have helped gelrod.)
Madeline B

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O


What excludes gelrod? Out of the kiwi voters, he'd seem the most suspicious to me because he was the one pushing to lynch kiwi.

Just seems kind of odd that you're looking for an evil in the kiwi voters, but so easily eliminate the person who pushed hardest (and first) for kiwi to get lynched.
Good point. gel was reading good to me yesterday in part because of his "who cares" attitude early on, could be "good and doing a thing," contrasted with what seemed to be a thoughtful, analytic case on lynching kiwi. It was wrong, but it seemed honest. I can't be too sure of that, though.

I was also talking to ortho, who'd listed gel as one of his best reads today.
Paper Luis

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
on-x

Scarlett_O wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Alright, I'm not thrilled with the analysis centering on the idea that PaperF is a wolf who was saved. Part of it is that I don't think gelrod is evil, not sure about Taquelli but have no particular beef, and I know I'm good. Us 3 plus PaperF were the 4 votes on Kiwi.

I agree with the premise that if PaperF is evil, he's not the only one voting Kiwi. I guess if I had to guess there, I'd say the other is Taquelli, mostly by POE. Gelrod is good enough that he's tricked me before, but every time I've seen him play like he did on D1 (voting for weird reasons, being standoffish), he's been good.


Looking at the 3 other Kiwi voters, though, I don't see an obvious 2nd evil, which makes me question reading D1 as evil!PaperF vs. good!Kiwi.
heh. I don't think paper "got saved" either. Most of the votes on kiwi were earlier, paper was a late counterwagon. I'll check but I think the only votethat could have been saving paper was his own, castunder questionable premises.


Hmm, then maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the analysis on this day. I thought part of the reason (or maybe even the main reason) I'm catching heat is for being a Kiwi voter.
Part of that is just general tally science--"there was probably at least one evil on kiwi regardless of what paper is, gelrod and Taq seem okay, who's left." Part of it from my perspective is you and Paper's posts with regards to each other, independently of yesterday's tally. But you're the only one talking about an organized save.

(Final tally with relative timing

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
Kiwi13cubed - 4 - DeMorcerf (8) , gelrod (21), ortho_ (22), Taquelli (24), PaperF (28)
PaperF - 3 - ortho_ (5) , Kiwi13cubed (12) , nolemonplease (13), Felice Si (25), irwin1138 (26)
Felice Si - 1 - Taquelli (6) , madelineb (11), irwin1138 (23)
gelrod - 1 - Kiwi13cubed (1) , nolemonplease (9) , irwin1138 (10) , Kiwi13cubed (16), PaperF (20)
nolemonplease - 1 - DeMorcerf (27)
ortho_ - 0 - PaperF (3) , Felice Si (14) , irwin1138 (15) , gelrod (17) , Taquelli (19)
madelineb - 0 - DeMorcerf (7) , ortho_ (18)
DeMorcerf - 0 - irwin1138 (4)
Taquelli - 0 - madelineb (2)
Not voting: Scarlett_O


What excludes gelrod? Out of the kiwi voters, he'd seem the most suspicious to me because he was the one pushing to lynch kiwi.

Just seems kind of odd that you're looking for an evil in the kiwi voters, but so easily eliminate the person who pushed hardest (and first) for kiwi to get lynched.
I'm the one who pushed that train of thought. And I only discluded gelrod
because no one else supported it when I was pushing him as evil.
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Paper Luis

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
Madeline B

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.
How does that help? Where should we be voting and why?
Josh Krehbiel
[vote madeline] I've changed my mind!

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:



How many games have you played with PaperF?
I feel like you should know me better than to ask when Cassy's archives are lost, but, about 5.

Yes, I know he's quiet.


Well, it's because Cassy's down that I'm asking. I was just looking for a ballpark figure.

It's not really about him being quiet. It's that (possibly due to the fact that English is not his first language) he sometimes makes posts that come across as evil when he's good.

I have played like 1/3 of my games with PaperF. For whatever weird reason, he's almost always good, and I've seen him get mislynched for making pingy posts over and over.

At a certain point, I started to defend him on general principle, because he was an easy mislynch.


I'm a little scared that he's evil in this game, and that if he were to be lynched and turn up evil, I'm the next lynch because of the fact that I've defended him. Given that we're clearly at the top of the tally, I think today is between us, and obviously I'm going to vote him over me.

But I think you (and maybe others) are mischaracterizing why I defended paperF on D1. I've just seen him be mislynched as good for stuff like that too much.
Paper Luis

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
"I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game." I didn't do anything to help myself.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10)
ortho_ - 2 - irwin1138 (7), madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
madelineb - 1 - Taquelli (11)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si, ortho_

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Madeline B

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:



How many games have you played with PaperF?
I feel like you should know me better than to ask when Cassy's archives are lost, but, about 5.

Yes, I know he's quiet.


Well, it's because Cassy's down that I'm asking. I was just looking for a ballpark figure.

It's not really about him being quiet. It's that (possibly due to the fact that English is not his first language) he sometimes makes posts that come across as evil when he's good.

I have played like 1/3 of my games with PaperF. For whatever weird reason, he's almost always good, and I've seen him get mislynched for making pingy posts over and over.

At a certain point, I started to defend him on general principle, because he was an easy mislynch.


I'm a little scared that he's evil in this game, and that if he were to be lynched and turn up evil, I'm the next lynch because of the fact that I've defended him. Given that we're clearly at the top of the tally, I think today is between us, and obviously I'm going to vote him over me.

But I think you (and maybe others) are mischaracterizing why I defended paperF on D1. I've just seen him be mislynched as good for stuff like that too much.
I don't want to mischaracterize you, and of itself, you defending his normal playstyle (or vice versa) is not suspicious; it's the relative proportion of those kinds of posts to other content that's unnerving me (for both of you).

Taquelli wrote:

[vote madeline] I've changed my mind!


I like this more than PaperF or myself. [vote madeline]
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
"I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game." I didn't do anything to help myself.

Oh. Okay. I guess I'm misunderstanding.

It sounds like you were actively waiting for people to move their votes before... something.
Caitlin

Taquelli wrote:

[vote madeline] I've changed my mind!

Mind explaining this thought process?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 3 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10)
ortho_ - 2 - irwin1138 (7), madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
madelineb - 2 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.
Why would people move off you without you giving them any reason to?

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

madelineb wrote:

ortho_ wrote:



How many games have you played with PaperF?
I feel like you should know me better than to ask when Cassy's archives are lost, but, about 5.

Yes, I know he's quiet.


Well, it's because Cassy's down that I'm asking. I was just looking for a ballpark figure.

It's not really about him being quiet. It's that (possibly due to the fact that English is not his first language) he sometimes makes posts that come across as evil when he's good.

I have played like 1/3 of my games with PaperF. For whatever weird reason, he's almost always good, and I've seen him get mislynched for making pingy posts over and over.

At a certain point, I started to defend him on general principle, because he was an easy mislynch.


I'm a little scared that he's evil in this game, and that if he were to be lynched and turn up evil, I'm the next lynch because of the fact that I've defended him. Given that we're clearly at the top of the tally, I think today is between us, and obviously I'm going to vote him over me.

But I think you (and maybe others) are mischaracterizing why I defended paperF on D1. I've just seen him be mislynched as good for stuff like that too much.
I don't want to mischaracterize you, and of itself, you defending his normal playstyle (or vice versa) is not suspicious; it's the relative proportion of those kinds of posts to other content that's unnerving me (for both of you).


Well, fwiw, this game got moved into the 'late lynch when I'm in 3 games, I give it ~2 hours after dinner' slot. I hate playing games like this. I read a bunch of pages and then have to decide things on the fly.

My reads suck normally when I have time to think stuff over. Trying to distill everything and push something out under pressure makes them even worse...
Josh Krehbiel

nolemonplease wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote madeline] I've changed my mind!

Mind explaining this thought process?


She tried to convince me she wasn't defending gelrod and then she did it again!
Madeline B

Taquelli wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

[vote madeline] I've changed my mind!

Mind explaining this thought process?


She tried to convince me she wasn't defending gelrod and then she did it again!
I'm tending to think he's good, and tend on principle to think you and everyone else are best served by taking things one day at a time. These are very loosely correlated in this game.
Paper Luis

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.
Why would people move off you without you giving them any reason to?
I'm very aware of that, I never provided a reason to not. I messed my reputation in the beginning.

PaperF wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
"I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game." I didn't do anything to help myself.


But why???

I really can't help but think you have to be evil this game. I've played in quite a bit of games with you and you were always good and I don't think I have EVER voted to lynch you. But, something just seems really off this game.
PaperF, what made you vote irwin?
Paper Luis

Scarlett_O wrote:

PaperF wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
"I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game." I didn't do anything to help myself.


But why???

I really can't help but think you have to be evil this game. I've played in quite a bit of games with you and you were always good and I don't think I have EVER voted to lynch you. But, something just seems really off this game.
It's hard and frustrating when everyone is into you after the damn mistake I made on Day One. I'm not sure I explained well. I wasn't paying attention and I wanted to get some conversation going on.
I kind of like the madeline votes actually. I wouldn't mind a paper/madeline top two.
on-x

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
It's already :35 to lynch. Taquelli was asking for a claim also. vote paperF.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 4 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10), irwin1138 (13)
madelineb - 2 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
ortho_ - 1 - irwin1138 (7) , madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

PaperF wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.

Why would people move?
"I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game." I didn't do anything to help myself.


But why???

I really can't help but think you have to be evil this game. I've played in quite a bit of games with you and you were always good and I don't think I have EVER voted to lynch you. But, something just seems really off this game.
It's hard and frustrating when everyone is into you after the damn mistake I made on Day One. I'm not sure I explained well. I wasn't paying attention and I wanted to get some conversation going on.
You explained it fine then. We've moved on. Now we're confused by your lack of participation today.
on-x
I really don't want us to screw up this lynch.
If there are four evils it likely means the game.
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

Checking in. I'll be on about 5 before lynch. Sorry I've not been more active. Long, bad day.

Is there something in the water? You're like the fifth person to say something like this. I was worried when I saw Felice's spoiler earlier. I thought it was bad news; glad to hear it was good. Hope things go better for you.

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Checking in. I'll be on about 5 before lynch. Sorry I've not been more active. Long, bad day.

Is there something in the water? You're like the fifth person to say something like this. I was worried when I saw Felice's spoiler earlier. I thought it was bad news; glad to hear it was good. Hope things go better for you.


We should all definitely stop drinking after each other just to be safe.

paper-- claim?
on-x

PaperF wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

madelineb wrote:

PaperF wrote:

ortho_ wrote:

Madeline, I'm maybe a bit backed off from yesterday, but not all that much. She sounds super reasonable and good, but I know she can do that as evil. Madeline asking questions that a good would ask is pretty much alignment neutral for me.

If PaperF is good, I'd be reasonably convinced that Madeline's evil. Just based on where she's been today.
She's good. No doubt.

If I'm forced to claim, I will, and sorry I haven't been that engaged to this game. I really was waiting for people to move, and I know it's my fault for not been that engaged to this game.
Waiting for people? Yesterday or today?
Yeah, today. To move from me.
Why would people move off you without you giving them any reason to?
I'm very aware of that, I never provided a reason to not. I messed my reputation in the beginning.
If you're good, we need you to make it up to us now by helping figure out the evils. What are you reads? What is your claim?
Paper Luis
Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Felice AKA Maria
I'm still reading the game in another window but keeping this tab up to date so there are some things between last night and now I have not read yet. Just mentioning this in case there's something obviously missing from my perspective.

I was thinking earlier that I would avoid voting Paper today and look elsewhere, although still suspicious of him. I've just seen his posts now and can't help but feel it sounds like an evil caught out and dejected, as opposed to a good wrongly accused. I think I support waiting for a claim from Paper.

Before reading Paper's current posts I was thinking I want to vote either gelrod or madeline. They both are leaning evil for me.

So what's the tally now?
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.


If you had a hit why wouldn't you push harder to get other people to vote her...or at the very least, call a hit?
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 4 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10), irwin1138* (13)
madelineb - 2 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
ortho_ - 1 - irwin1138 (7) , madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
on-x

modkiwi wrote:

Vote Tally:
PaperF - 4 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10), irwin1138 (13)
madelineb - 2 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
ortho_ - 1 - irwin1138 (7) , madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
gelrod - 0 - irwin1138 (2)
Not voting: Felice Si

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Paper Luis

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.
What the hell?!?
Caitlin

PaperF wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.
What the hell?!?:what::what:

... what did you expect from an evil in your world?

PaperF wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.
What the hell?!?


Why would you be surprised that your hit would nightfall you?
Yeah, I'm good with my vote.
on-x

PaperF wrote:

Back into game, I just re-read the thread again. The only person I'm feeling confident right now is madeline, even if is a surprise.

I might want to place a vote on [Vote irwin].

Null on Scarlet because he/she is still sick and hasn't join us yet.

Ortho, is the typical ortho. Madeline, Taquelli and gelrod are probably among my best reads at the moment. Not so sure on Lemon and Felice. Does a Demo's final vote toward lemon may point out to his NK?
If madeline was your clear, why did you not so much as mention her until today?
If you had been trying to hint that she was your N0 clear, wouldn't you have done so yesterday?
Josh Krehbiel

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.


Um...no you haven't. At least, not before half an hour ago, but nothing yesterday.
Felice AKA Maria
vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?
on-x

PaperF wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.
What the hell?!?
You called me evil. I know I'm not. What exactly are you surprised by?
on-x

nolemonplease wrote:

PaperF wrote:

irwin1138 wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.
Oh, wow. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't pick someone more lynchable. Thanks for making it easy for me. nightfall.
What the hell?!?

... what did you expect from an evil in your world?
Yeah, this too. Wow!

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.
Kiwi's ModBot
Vote Tally:
PaperF - 4 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10), irwin1138* (13)
madelineb - 2 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
ortho_ - 1 - irwin1138 (7) , madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2) , Felice Si (14)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
Not voting:

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Current Claims:
Scarlett_O - (no claim)
ortho_ - (no claim)
Felice Si - (no claim)
madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Madeline B

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?
If he's uncountered would it not make more sense to vote irwin?

Admittedly, the claim doesn't match my reads at all, and his reaction to the nightfall doesn't make sense. I know from old games that Paper likes being seer and I'm not sure if this deep cover fits his MO. Thinking.
Felice AKA Maria

Taquelli wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.


Um...no you haven't. At least, not before half an hour ago, but nothing yesterday.


Plus, a seer with a hit who doesn't want to claim yet should be trying to make a case to get votes on said hit.

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.


This is ridiculous. You are calling a clear on the person I think is most evil in good!you world, and hit on my best read. And I still kind of want to believe you. Ahhhhh
Felice AKA Maria

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?
Caitlin

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?
If he's uncountered would it not make more sense to vote irwin?

Admittedly, the claim doesn't match my reads at all, and his reaction to the nightfall doesn't make sense. I know from old games that Paper likes being seer and I'm not sure if this deep cover fits his MO. Thinking.

I like this post. Another plus on madeline.

Feel like I want to settle into a good read on you.
on-x

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?
Yes. There is only one seer.

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Oh. Yeah, I guess that is right. Sorry.
Felice AKA Maria

madelineb wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?
If he's uncountered would it not make more sense to vote irwin?

Admittedly, the claim doesn't match my reads at all, and his reaction to the nightfall doesn't make sense. I know from old games that Paper likes being seer and I'm not sure if this deep cover fits his MO. Thinking.


Not for me, I was voting one of the people I already was thinking was evil, other than Paper.
Josh Krehbiel

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.
I don't know what to do then.

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

PaperF wrote:

Ok, fuck it. I'm done. I'm the Alignment Seer.

N0- Madeline-Good
N1- Irwin- Evil

I have been trying to hint at madeline being my N0. As for irwin, that was my first vote on D2. Yes, I decided to view her among the voters in my trail.

I hope there's a martyr in this set, because if not, we are doomed. When I play as a seer, I try to stay undercover as much as I can. I don't want to be NightKilled, that's why I try to avoid being THAT active in the game.


Um...no you haven't. At least, not before half an hour ago, but nothing yesterday.


Plus, a seer with a hit who doesn't want to claim yet should be trying to make a case to get votes on said hit.


Yeah, I apply PaperF filter to it. It is possible. Not sure he's not just evil and faking, but it's possible.
Felice AKA Maria

gelrod wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Lol. You're next.


Your funeral.
Felice AKA Maria

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?


Who would we move to?
on-x

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?
Counterclaim or not, paperF seems pretty obviously evil and needs to die.
Though, granted, I have the knowledge that I'm good to factor into that analysis.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

Ok...do we test the hit here, or the seer?

I'm actually fine lynching either of them because I'm reading them both as shady. Plus, if paper is evil, I'm thinking Felice is there with him. If Irwin is evil, I'm thinking Scarlett?
If Paper and Felice are evil together what was D1 chaos about.

It could be must-lynch unfortunately so not really testing time gulp irwin has read better than Paper to me, but I don't know.

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?


Who would we move to?


irwin? I guess? But... she seemed so good. :/

gelrod, I guess is an option...but he could just be gelrod being gelrod and not necessarily evil.

madeline was seeming suspicious, but if paper really is the seer then she's cleared.

So... ugh. I don't know. I wish we had like 30 more minutes. Lol.

gelrod wrote:

Ok...do we test the hit here, or the seer?

I'm actually fine lynching either of them because I'm reading them both as shady. Plus, if paper is evil, I'm thinking Felice is there with him. If Irwin is evil, I'm thinking Scarlett?


Gelrod, how do you evaluate PaperF's claim? Or him overall, whatever.
on-x

gelrod wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?


Who would we move to?


Irwin.
I agree that this is logical. It doesn't make sense to just ignore a seer claim with a hit and not lynch one of the two.
Josh Krehbiel

gelrod wrote:

If there is a martyr he or she needs to claim now.


BUT I DON'T WANT TO!
Madeline B

madelineb wrote:

gelrod wrote:

Ok...do we test the hit here, or the seer?

I'm actually fine lynching either of them because I'm reading them both as shady. Plus, if paper is evil, I'm thinking Felice is there with him. If Irwin is evil, I'm thinking Scarlett?
If Paper and Felice are evil together what was D1 chaos about.

It could be must-lynch unfortunately so not really testing time gulp irwin has read better than Paper to me, but I don't know.
There is also way more potential for tinker and/or mimic fud than I can deal with in eight minutes.
Josh Krehbiel

Taquelli wrote:

gelrod wrote:

If there is a martyr he or she needs to claim now.


BUT I DON'T WANT TO!


(Yes, this is a Martyr claim)
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

Then we get either a counter claim or kill Irwin.

Fine.

I can go ahead and claim seer if you'd like.
on-x

Scarlett_O wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Taquelli wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

Scarlett_O wrote:

Felice Si wrote:

vote gelrod? Not convinced of Paper but it's something we could leave if he's uncountered, no?


Being uncountered alignment seer in this set doesnt' really mean anything.


hmmm? Isn't their still only one seer?


Yes, but without a guaranteed martyr, a counterclaim is less likely.


True. So do we want to leave Paper for today?


Who would we move to?


irwin? I guess? But... she seemed so good. :/

gelrod, I guess is an option...but he could just be gelrod being gelrod and not necessarily evil.

madeline was seeming suspicious, but if paper really is the seer then she's cleared.

So... ugh. I don't know. I wish we had like 30 more minutes. Lol.
Yeah, he didn't give us time for just that reason.
Felice AKA Maria
Oh yeah, mimics. I hate mimics. angry
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

So Taq martyr, lemon seer, paper seer, Irwin hit. Lemon, what are your views?

Oh.

Uh... I didn't think that far.

I just don't believe this claim.

[vote paperf]
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Vote Tally:
PaperF - 5 - nolemonplease (4), gelrod (5), Scarlett_O (10), irwin1138* (13), ortho_ (15)
irwin1138 - 1 - gelrod (1) , PaperF (6)
ortho_ - 1 - irwin1138 (7) , madelineb (8), Taquelli (9)
madelineb - 1 - Taquelli (11), ortho_ (12)
gelrod - 1 - irwin1138 (2) , Felice Si (14)
nolemonplease - 0 - madelineb (3)
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ortho_ - (no claim)
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madelineb - (no claim)
nolemonplease - (no claim)
Taquelli - (no claim)
gelrod - (no claim)
irwin1138 - (no claim)
PaperF - (no claim)
Caitlin

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So Taq martyr, lemon seer, paper seer, Irwin hit. Lemon, what are your views?

Oh.

Uh... I didn't think that far.

I just don't believe this claim.


Ok. We lynch Irwin. No counter claim and a martyr claim.

Nope.
Felice AKA Maria
So, with a Martyr to protect the claimed seer tonight, shouldn't people be not killing him at dusk? You know, just in case?
I am going to be enraged if I screwed up here.
Madeline B

gelrod wrote:

nolemonplease wrote:

gelrod wrote:

So Taq martyr, lemon seer, paper seer, Irwin hit. Lemon, what are your views?

Oh.

Uh... I didn't think that far.

I just don't believe this claim.


Ok. We lynch Irwin. No counter claim and a martyr claim.
you have picked a very weird time to start being mr. by-the-book
Madeline B

Felice Si wrote:

So, with a Martyr to protect the claimed seer tonight, shouldn't people be not killing him at dusk? You know, just in case?
Why are you not voting irwin?